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Tweet by Bill Makes Colbert

So, I heard about this almost immediately after it happened on Monday, but I waited to post about it until there was video … then I forgot about it for a bit … anyway: a tweet by Bill appeared during a monologue on “The Colbert Report” on Monday.

It comes about 4 minutes in.

24 Replies to “Tweet by Bill Makes Colbert”

  1. Kenneth Morgan says:

    Bill’s out of step with the fan community. They’re saying having a black stormtrooper means everything is RUINED FOREVER!!!

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  2. ck says:

    Confused. Stormtroopers are always covered up so even for racists how would seeing one
    unhelmeted “ruin everything”? Even Luke was disguised as a (rather runty)
    stormtrooper.

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  3. little winged potato says:

    The lord loves a workin’ man…

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  4. Sampo says:

    ck:
    Confused. Stormtroopers are always covered up so even for racists how would seeing one
    unhelmeted “ruin everything”? Even Luke was disguised as a (rather runty)
    stormtrooper.

    I believe Kenneth was exaggerating, for humor’s sake, some comments, on YouTube and elsewhere, from folks who believe that all stormtroopers must be Jango Fett clones and were surprised (upset?) to see any other person in the stormtrooper get up. But we don’t know why the character is shown in a stormtrooper get up, so it would seem reasonable to withhold judgement until we have more info, hmm? Or am I being ridiculous?

    In any case, by ep. 4 it was pretty clear (to me, at least) there were just regular Joes, of all colors, under those helmets. But I’m not a Star Wars superfan. Correct me if I’m wrong.

    There have also been reports of just straight out racism in some comment sections (youtube usually lives down to its reputation). The extent of that is a matter of some dispute — some say it was rife, others say it was minimal. I dunno. I haven’t been following it that closely.

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  5. Kenneth Morgan says:

    Sampo: I believe Kenneth was exaggerating, for humor’s sake, some comments, on YouTube and elsewhere, from folks who believe that all stormtroopers must be Jango Fett clones and were surprised (upset?) to see any other person in the stormtrooper get up. But we don’t know why the character is shown in a stormtrooper get up, so it would seem reasonable to withhold judgement until we have more info, hmm? Or am I being ridiculous?

    In any case, by ep. 4 it was pretty clear (to me, at least) there were just regular Joes, of all colors, under those helmets. But I’m not a Star Wars superfan. Correct me if I’m wrong.

    There have also been reports of just straight out racism in some comment sections (youtube usually lives down to its reputation). The extent of that is a matter of some dispute — some say it was rife, others say it was minimal. I dunno. I haven’t been following it that closely.

    Yes, I was exaggerating. There are a lot of fans who are already declaring Ep. VII to be a disaster based on less than 90 sec. of footage.

    When I first saw “Star Wars” (back before it was ANH), I was just about the same age as Colbert. But I had to wait until the end of June to see it. Colbert is a lucky so-and-so.

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  6. Zombie says:

    As a Star Wars superfan:

    Yes, by Ep4 the Stormtroopers were a mix of clones and regular enlistees. You can see evidence of that whenever you see at least two troopers of different height. Also, Luke starts the movie dreaming of following his buddies to apply to “The Academy”. They aren’t talking about the Jedi Academy, its the Imperial Navy or Army he was talking about.

    The Empire was notoriously speciest, almost all officers and troopers were human, but never made mention of skin color.

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  7. Goshzilla says:

    Clearly John Boyega must be playing Lando Calrissian’s son, as Lando is the only black dude in the galaxy.

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  8. underwoc says:

    Goshzilla:
    Clearly John Boyega must be playing Lando Calrissian’s son, as Lando is the only black dude in the galaxy.

    Well, except for Mace Windu and that one X-Wing pilot who gets blasted during the Death Star battle in Return of the Jedi.

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  9. GornCaptain says:

    Zombie:
    As a Star Wars superfan:

    Yes, by Ep4 the Stormtroopers were a mix of clones and regular enlistees.You can see evidence of that whenever you see at least two troopers of different height.Also, Luke starts the movie dreaming of following his buddies to apply to “The Academy”.They aren’t talking about the Jedi Academy, its the Imperial Navy or Army he was talking about.

    The Empire was notoriously speciest, almost all officers and troopers were human, but never made mention of skin color.

    If you’ve ever read the novel or seen the cut scenes with Luke’s friend Biggs, (who had just come back from the Academy) it comes off as more of school for those entering a merchant marine type service. I’m sure they have retconned that since 1977 though. ;)

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  10. Th1rt3eN says:

    Kenneth Morgan: Yes, I was exaggerating.There are a lot of fans who are already declaring Ep. VII to be a disaster based on less than 90 sec. of footage.

    When I first saw “Star Wars” (back before it was ANH), I was just about the same age as Colbert.But I had to wait until the end of June to see it.Colbert is a lucky so-and-so.

    My issue with the whole thing is the actor who plays the storm troopers comments regarding the whole thing.
    He said and I quote “Get used to it”. seems to me like it’s a valid concern considering they are all cones of the same guy, an Asian man. (I don’t understand how faithfulness to the lore is racist)

    The guys reaction was kinda flip, it really put me off of seeing the film, I was sorta interested. Now I feel more like to hell with Star Wars I’m not going to see it, get used that!
    Of course a rifftrax for the DVD release would change that instantly.

    I just can’t deal with the lack of gratitude to the fans, a wait and see the film comment wouldn’t have caused such a reaction. I mean it’s like they think we will just watch it and like it no matter how they deal with criticism or the questioning of the details that comes their way.

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  11. Mike says:

    Th1rt3eN: My issue with the whole thing is the actor who plays the storm troopers comments regarding the whole thing.
    He said and I quote “Get used to it”. seems to me like it’s a valid concern considering they are all cones of the same guy, an Asian man. (I don’t understand how faithfulness to the lore is racist)

    The guys reaction was kinda flip, it really put me off of seeing the film, I was sorta interested. Now I feel more like to hell with Star Wars I’m not going to see it, get used that!
    Of course a rifftrax for the DVD release would change that instantly.

    I just can’t deal with the lack of gratitude to the fans, a wait and see the film comment wouldn’t have caused such a reaction. I mean it’s like they think we will just watch it and like it no matter how they deal with criticism or the questioning of the details that comes their way.

    I assumed John Boyega’s “get used to it” quote to be directed at the overt racists, not to ordinary people who might say, “But I thought all stormtroopers were clones of Jango Fett?” I don’t think there’s any need to take offense, much less to be turned off from seeing the film.

    But yes, it seems pretty clear to me that by the time of Episode IV you’ve got a mix of clones and ordinary joes under those white helmets. I can see where the confusion would arise, but I figure they probably weren’t all still South Seas Islanders by the time of “A New Hope.” ;)

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  12. Lucas D. says:

    Anyone else notice in the irony in Stephen Colbert, of all people, missing the satirical nature of Bill’s tweet?

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  13. John W says:

    Lucas D.:
    Anyone else notice in the irony in Stephen Colbert, of all people, missing the satirical nature of Bill’s tweet?

    Are you sure about that?

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  14. Lucas D. says:

    Satirists don’t usually mock things they know are already satire. I’m not 100% certain, but it does seem odd that his writers would single out Bill’s tweet and not let on that they knew he wasn’t serious, especially amongst the thousands of complaining fanboys who actually are.

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  15. Th1rt3eN says:

    Mike: I assumed John Boyega’s “get used to it” quote to be directed at the overt racists, not to ordinary people who might say, “But I thought all stormtroopers were clones of Jango Fett?” I don’t think there’s any need to take offense, much less to be turned off from seeing the film.

    But yes, it seems pretty clear to me that by the time of Episode IV you’ve got a mix of clones and ordinary joes under those white helmets. I can see where the confusion would arise, but I figure they probably weren’t all still South Seas Islanders by the time of “A New Hope.”

    Don’t you see, there weren’t any racists, I mean maybe a small portion of the people commenting. The vast majority of people (at least from what I have seen have more ore less been concerned about the source material rather than the fact that “oh no it’s a black man” or whatever it is they really say, I won’t repeat it. It’s just like how anyone who complained about them making Johnny Storm in the new Fantastic Four move black was instantly declared racist. Despite that fact that his biological sister Sue in the film was still gonna be white.
    The problem 99% of the people have isn’t that these people aren’t white it’s that something near and dear to them is being exploited and changed to fit a politically correct multicultural narrative. A narrative that feels manufactured and out of place when things are shoehorned into it so unnaturally.
    It was a blanket statement against everyone questioning a black stormtroopers continuity or anything else.

    I just find it to be disgusting and in the context it’s framed I find it to be racist that we as fans can only question the choice in actors if they happen to be white or if we happen to be of the same race (I might be black, you never know).

    So yeah that’s just my opinion of it, I still am going to skip this one…. for now, wait for the Rifftrax and hope that it all makes sense and isn’t as it appears to. If it’s explained as you have explained it I’m cool with it, I just can’t take the societal restriction we put on each other when it comes to topics related to race.

    Either way that R2 beach ball droid thing is ripe for the riffing.

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  16. Retcon says:

    Zombie:
    As a Star Wars superfan:

    Yes, by Ep4 the Stormtroopers were a mix of clones and regular enlistees.You can see evidence of that whenever you see at least two troopers of different height.Also, Luke starts the movie dreaming of following his buddies to apply to “The Academy”.They aren’t talking about the Jedi Academy, its the Imperial Navy or Army he was talking about.

    The Empire was notoriously speciest, almost all officers and troopers were human, but never made mention of skin color.

    There is a deleted scene from ANH where Biggs tells Luke he is leaving the academy before the Empire drafts him, which suggests it is a civilian one. Besides, academies in the military are for officers, (officers tend to be higher class people) troops go to boot camp (because troops are usually low class poor people with lower IQs, otherwise they would be trained as officers).

    There is a old 1978 Lucasfilm article that says Stormtroopers are clones, factory line made men. Lucas also said he had Jango bump his head in AOTC to show why Stormtroopers bump their heads because they got that trait from Jango, whih implies cloning. Then there is the riff of ANH where Kevin remarks that all the stormtroopers in the film sound alike, which implies clones. Also the film making reason stormtroopers where face covering armor and never show their faces is a pre CGI attempt to imply they are a clone army.

    However, some fans don’t like stormtroopers being clones and it appears JJ is one of them. Stormtroopers being recruits is an old EU idea that came from early Marvel spinoff comics that contradicts the films.

    Personally I thoght the trailer was a fan video at first with how poorly shot it was. The camera work was really lazy. Hopefully the guy is just wearing stormtrooper armor as a disguise like Luke and Han did.

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  17. asdf says:

    “Lucas says” means exactly squat. He changes stances and then declares we’ve always been at war with Eastasia.

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  18. Retcon says:

    Yeah he sure does, but there is a in moive link between Jango and the stormtroopers which is what matters. The head bumping stormtrooer is a Jango clone despite not having his speech pattern. There is nothing in the films that suggests stormtroopers are recruits but lots of hints at them being clones. Like Obi-Wan knowing how to handle stormtroopers since he used to lead them in the clone wars, etc. Plus the 1978 article proves the idea of stormtroopers being clones isn’t a 2002 retcon, but a concept from the very early days of Star Wars.

    I noticed in the PT films they never used the phase clonetrooper, about the closest is “clone troops”. Story I heard was Lucas was just going to call the troops in AOTC stormtroopers, but marketing came up with the name clonetrooper and pushed him to use that instead. Probably in an attempt to maintain the now defunct EU, though the EU was never worth saving. Probably the reason so many internet hateboys are already complaining about Episode 7 is because it wiped away the awlful EU. That is 1 + for JJ.

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  19. The Bolem says:

    A friend who’s a way bigger SW fan than I once told me that several novels and/or comics explained that prior to the prequels, the Clone Wars were actually about the Republic’s clone army going berzerk due to their shorter lifespans, thus needing to be put down by the Jedi, and ensuring that most future military endeavors would consider cloning too risky, at least politically. Stormtrooper armor did make things nice and ambiguous for Lucas when he decided to start down-tiering anything not in the movies, but that would still mean that prior to AOTC, there was more evidence that they were all recruits.

    As for any controversy over the new Stormtrooper…given the origin of the term, this guy’s essentially a black Nazi, and that was just plain funny back in Warrior of the Lost World, right? The good? The Beautiful? Anyone else looking?

    So gonna’ miss The Report…

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  20. Depressing Aunt says:

    This has nothing to do with the topic, but the cheering and Wookie noises made by Colbert’s audience really have gotten out of control….

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  21. Darkknight says:

    So yeah that’s just my opinion of it, I still am going to skip this one….

    NOOOOO!!!! How are they going to recoup their money now?!!?!?? As others have already stated, by the time of ANH, the stormtroopers were a mixture of clones and recruits. And don’t you suppose that by the time of EPVII after having yet another Death Star full of troops blown up and we can only assume they are on the ropes getting chased all over the galaxy that the remnants of the Empire or whomever are going to be desperate for recruits? So for people to say that the trailer isn’t faithful to the source material (EPVII takes place what, 30 years later so who knows what has transpired in that time? Wouldn’t the clones who had accelerated growth be in their 60’s?!?!?) is absurd for the aforementioned reasons, or who knows, maybe he is in disguise like Luke was. So, to paraphrase: it’s an 80 second teaser trailer that doesn’t really tell us anything at all so we should really just relax.

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  22. Retcon says:

    Darkknight: NOOOOO!!!!How are they going to recoup their money now?!!?!??As others have already stated, by the time of ANH, the stormtroopers were a mixture of clones and recruits.And don’t you suppose that by the time of EPVII after having yet another Death Star full of troops blown up and we can only assume they are on the ropes getting chased all over the galaxy that the remnants of the Empire or whomever are going to be desperate for recruits?So for people to say that the trailer isn’t faithful to the source material (EPVII takes place what, 30 years later so who knows what has transpired in that time?Wouldn’t the clones who had accelerated growth be in their 60’s?!?!?) is absurd for the aforementioned reasons, or who knows, maybe he is in disguise like Luke was. So, to paraphrase:it’s an 80 second teaser trailer that doesn’t really tell us anything at all so we should really just relax.

    First in AOTC they stated accelerated growth, nothing about aging, two very different things. The clones just grow up faster, not age faster. AOTC also showed more batches of clones in production, those baby clones in jars in one of the scenes would not be ready to fight until 7 years after ROTS and the end of the clone wars. There is nothing in the 6 current films that states clone production was stopped. Then there is the 1978 Lucasfilm Star Wars article “Soldiers of the Empire!” Which details the training and organization of stormtroopers and the first source to reveal they are clones. This was back in 1978! However this bit of info fell into obscurity and many EU writers before the PT films wrote stormtroopers as recruits, even though the films never imply it. This is besides many fans having a hardon for stormtroopers to be recruits for some strange reason. Fans also seem to like to ignore what is presented in films and invent complex and bizarre backstories that contradicts the films. Lucas doesn’t care if he contradicts any of the old EU and I don’t brame him. Stormtrooper recruits is simply an EU concept and not moive cannon of the first 6 films.

    It is clear that by ROTJ, the empire is widely disliked and if they are on the losing side by TFA, it would be very hard to recruit people. Not many people would want to join a very unpopular and losing side. Plus if the empire is in that bad of a shape, they probably could not afford really high pay to entice recruits either. Regardless, I am very disappointed they are reusing the empire in the new films. It was clear in ROTJ the empire is defeated, done, and as dead as Boba Fett and Jabba. They should be using new villians instead of being lazy and recycle the empire.

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  23. Andy Knudsen says:

    Th1rt3eN: My issue with the whole thing is the actor who plays the storm troopers comments regarding the whole thing.
    He said and I quote “Get used to it”. seems to me like it’s a valid concern considering they are all cones of the same guy, an Asian man. (I don’t understand how faithfulness to the lore is racist)

    The guys reaction was kinda flip, it really put me off of seeing the film, I was sorta interested. Now I feel more like to hell with Star Wars I’m not going to see it, get used that!
    Of course a rifftrax for the DVD release would change that instantly.

    I just can’t deal with the lack of gratitude to the fans, a wait and see the film comment wouldn’t have caused such a reaction. I mean it’s like they think we will just watch it and like it no matter how they deal with criticism or the questioning of the details that comes their way.

    Really, think about it. What blockbuster movie shows the bad guys all sweaty and freaking out? I thought it was pretty obvious that what we are seeing there is a rebel who had escaped from somewhere dressed as a storm trooper. Getting all racist about the color of someone without knowing the story is pretty stupid.

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  24. Johnny's nonchalance says:

    Darkknight: or who knows, maybe he is in disguise like Luke was. So, to paraphrase:it’s an 80 second teaser trailer that doesn’t really tell us anything at all so we should really just relax.

    Finally, someone with critical thinking responds to the assumption that the guy in the suit actually IS a storm trooper.

    Thank you for making feel like I’m not entirely alone. Someone in a uniform could be a double agent or trying to escape detection. Kinda like Luke did…

    Let’s not jump to conclusions, please.

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