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Weekend Discussion Thread: Joel-like Segments in a Mike Ep or Vice Versa

Alert regular Siting Duck writes:

Contrary to popular belief, certain styles of host segments aren’t necessarily exclusive to a specific host. What do think is the most Mike-like host segment during the Joel era and vice versa?

For the former, I’d go with Rocketship X-M when they attempt to trick Frank into returning them to Earth.

For the latter, the “To Earth” song from Diabolik.

Interesting thought experiment! Have at it!

26 Replies to “Weekend Discussion Thread: Joel-like Segments in a Mike Ep or Vice Versa”

  1. jay says:

    Man, this is a tough one. I guess, obviously the early Mikes would be the most Joel-like, so any of the host segments from Mitchell would be candidates. As to Joel, his rendition of PANTS! in Hercules Against the Moon Men would be Mikely musical, especially since Mike probably wrote the tune.

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  2. For the Joel-era, the very few times they had a story-arc running through the host segments that had nothing to do with the film. An example being Season 4’s Fire Maidens From Outer Space, where all the segments are about the dark spector Timmy.

    I can’t offhand think of a Mike-era host segment that had a Joel-era feel to it. Except maybe instances where Mike came off as fatherly to the bots the way Joel did (an example being the “Dog and Bear” opening from Prince of Space, where Mike consoles Crow as though he were consoling a child that just hurt itself).

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  3. Son of Peanut says:

    Anytime Mike had the bots do a project or presentation made me think of Joel, specifically “Who would you want in your werewolf movie?”

    As for Joel being Mike-like, I would go with the times he suddenly took on a character from the film, such as his robe-wearing villain from Operation Kid Brother.

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  4. duke of puddles says:

    Joel era: maybe the ‘good natured rough housing’ from ‘Herc and those coo coo caged up dames’ seemed like a Mike moment.
    Mike era: well, before the sailor suit gets involved, the crow’s contacts leading into TV’s Frank talent agency segment feels like a Joel moment. probably fixating on the contact part too much.

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  5. Yeti of Great Danger says:

    Good WDT, but tough for me as I don’t remember host segments well. Must try harder. So I’ll say:

    Joel era: from “Pod People,” the “Idiot Control Now” song, one of my favorite host segments ever
    Mike era: from “Track of the Moon Beast,” when the SOL Legends of Rock presents The Band That Played California Lady. Maybe it was Mike’s slow, deadpan delivery.

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  6. Brandon Pierce:
    I can’t offhand think of a Mike-era host segment that had a Joel-era feel to it.

    The Joel-era paid attention to the movie, and relished in how silly it was. A movie had to be PRET-ty darn silly enough for M&tB to get over themselves enough to notice it, let alone pageant its strange moments on board the ship. (At least without some of the Kevin-directed bile of letting Servo simply rant against it.)

    And there was never a more facetiously absurd Joel-y moment of shipboard scene-specific movie-pageant during the Mike era than the Shoe Polish of Deceit:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjRQ2XXM4wU
    (Even Gypsy’s Happy Russian Weaving Song from “Sword & the Dragon”, or Servo turning ado-wable from “Jack Frost” had more movie-bored snideness around the edges than absurdity or silliness, and Bill-Crow’s string of “Yep, guys, I dressed up as the character” felt more of a meta-jibe at “Get us, fans, we’re writing comedy host sketches!”.)

    Hobgoblins’ “disguised” escape attempt also nostalgically brought back the Joel-era idea that the guys’ sanity was being driven to the breaking point by mad scientists…Yeah, remember that, few years ago, what happened wit’ that?

    As for “Mike-ish Joel moments”, was there really THAT much of a comically off-topic need to delve into debates over the proper punctuation of Hamilton, Joe, Frank & Reynolds? (Or is it Hamilton, Joe & Frank Reynolds? Anyway, it was the group that had that one song in the 70’s, and…then they had that other song that sounded like the first one.)

    Also, we’re glad that Mike finally got all his grudges against Morrissey off his chest, in 403’s “City Limits”. Any time in the CC-era that Mike would do his latest annoying-celebrity imitation, or avenge against the evils of Jack Perkins, it just felt like those moments on the old 80’s David Letterman when Chris Elliott would wander out, and the audience would groan “O-kayyy, he wants to do his Marlon Brando thing again, whatever that is, make it quick…” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRIWTliXJU4

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  7. jay says:

    Well. Now that we have had that inevitable bit of grinchiness that this WDT was certain to engender what say we move on and enjoy the Star Trek credo that is ideal for this holiday season? IDIC.

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  8. bartcow says:

    A permanent red X that sticks and remembers even when I refresh the page. That’s all I want for Christmas. Oh, and and least ONE discussion thread that isn’t completely ruined in the first day.

    Anyway, Joel’s Farmer routine (don’t remember the ep) reminds me of when Mike would roughouse with the bots.

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  9. Scott Strong says:

    I don’t remember the episode, but the Noh theater sketch was very Joel-reminiscent.

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  10. Scott Strong says:

    The Original EricJ: The Joel-era paid attention to the movie, and relished in how silly it was.A movie had to be PRET-ty darn silly enough for M&tB to get over themselves enough to notice it, let alone pageant its strange moments on board the ship.(At least without some of the Kevin-directed bile of letting Servo simply rant against it.)

    And there was never a more facetiously absurd Joel-y moment of shipboard scene-specific movie-pageant during the Mike era than the Shoe Polish of Deceit:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjRQ2XXM4wU
    (Even Gypsy’s Happy Russian Weaving Song from “Sword & the Dragon”, or Servo turning ado-wable from “Jack Frost” had more movie-bored snideness around the edges than absurdity or silliness, and Bill-Crow’s string of “Yep, guys, I dressed up as the character” felt more of a meta-jibe at “Get us, fans, we’re writing comedy host sketches!”.)

    Hobgoblins’ “disguised” escape attempt also nostalgically brought back the Joel-era idea that the guys’ sanity was being driven to the breaking point by mad scientists…Yeah, remember that, few years ago, what happened wit’ that?

    As for “Mike-ish Joel moments”, was there really THAT much of a comically off-topic need to delve into debates over the proper punctuation of Hamilton, Joe, Frank & Reynolds?(Or is it Hamilton, Joe & Frank Reynolds?Anyway, it was the group that had that one song in the 70’s, and…then they had that other song that sounded like the first one.)

    Also, we’re glad that Mike finally got all his grudges against Morrissey off his chest, in 403’s “City Limits”.Any time in the CC-era that Mike would do his latest annoying-celebrity imitation, or avenge against the evils of Jack Perkins, it just felt like those moments on the old 80’s David Letterman when Chris Elliott would wander out, and the audience would groan “O-kayyy, he wants to do his Marlon Brando thing again, whatever that is, make it quick…”https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRIWTliXJU4

    You are a douchebag.

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  11. PJ says:

    With Mike, I would say one could be the marriage counselor bit with the rubber band. Not playing father figure but giving advice. Even though it was just a bit from the film and there are much better examples.

    With Joel, can’t forget when he tried to pull off Manos. The bots let him down easy. Though Joel still was broken hearted by it. That’s a Mike moment.

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  12. Sitting Duck says:

    Scott Strong:
    I don’t remember the episode, but the Noh theater sketch was very Joel-reminiscent.

    It was Invasion of the Neptune Men.

    While I’m not entirely sure if Turkey Volume Guessing Man from Riding with Death qualifies as Joel-like, it’s certainly something I can imagine Trace’s Crow doing.

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  13. Speedy B. says:

    “Merry Christmas (If That’s Okay)” feels like a song they would’ve sung during the Joel era.

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  14. mando3b says:

    My late father had the unfortunate habit of coming into a fun, bantering conversation and blurting out something completely inappropriate and unpleasant that brought everything to a screeching halt. “Conversation stoppers” is what one of my sisters called these moments. For some reason, I’m reminded of this now. Of course, after a few seconds, dad would wander off and we could start laughing again as if nothing had happened . . .

    So, anyway . . . For me the most Mike-ish Joel segments involve music: my fave host segments of all are the songs Mike & the ‘bots sing, so I love the relatively few segments where Joel & the gang burst into song. Also, the bit in “Indestructible Man” where Joel is trying to imitate Lon Chaney, Jr.’s menacing squint but Servo & Crow barge in and ruin it for him: that is a VERY Mike-ish moment. As for as Joelish movements with Mike: I would say all the times when the ‘bots, instead of tormenting him, try to cheer him up/support him; the thing is, THEY occupy the Joel-role in the later episodes–they’re the experienced ones who know what’s going on, Mike is always a step behind, and they take advantage of that for their own amusement like bratty younger siblings. So when they back off and have some sympathy for the poor dope’s plight, it’s very reminiscent of Joel’s Father-Knows-Best moments with them. Thinking in particular of “Santa Claus” (which I watched again just last night!), when they try to connect with Mike’s family in Wisconsin, and at the end when Servo slides up and asks, “What’s wrong, honey?” On the more dubious side, I don’t really like the Joel era’s more over-the-top pop culture sketches, so when Mike and the gang take on “Love American Style” during “The Creeping Terror”, I have unpleasant flashbacks to Crow’s one-‘bot “Celebrity Match Game”, the phrase “Hooterville Trilogy”, etc.–that is, before I fast forward to the next theater segment, take a bathroom break, or get another beer . . .

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  15. mando3b says:

    And how could I forget the infernal machine Crow & Servo make to turn Joel’s face into Arch Hall, Jr.’s! That’s exactly the sort of thing they do to Mike all the time! Meanwhile, Mike & the ‘bots trying to escape “Hobgoblins” reminds me so much of Joel & the ‘bots’ response to “Manos”.

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  16. Son of Gorgo says:

    Really sad that 2 of the top 3 liked posts are responding to a Troll that comes in EVERY thread and takes a dump on Satellite News.
    Are you guys still wondering why visitors didn’t increase after the release of the new season?

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  17. Son of Gorgo:
    Really sad that 2 of the top 3 liked posts are responding to a Troll that comes in EVERY thread and takes a dump on Satellite News.
    Are you guys still wondering why visitors didn’t increase after the release of the new season?

    I choose to ignore his posts altogether, and not even acknowledge his existence. It saves time.

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  18. Son of Gorgo:
    Really sad that 2 of the top 3 liked posts are responding to a Troll that comes in EVERY thread and takes a dump on Satellite News.

    Yeah, what he says–Stop Liking them! ;)

    (“Huhuh, he called EricJ a douchebag, I’m gonna give it fifteen Likes!”…Honestly, how Trump-tweet could you be?)

    jay:what say we move on and enjoy the Star Trek credo that is ideal for this holiday season?IDIC.

    Not to mention the MST3K mantra of IDICN: IDIot Control Now.

    As for “Mike-ish Joel moments”, was there really THAT much of a comically off-topic need to delve into debates over the proper punctuation of Hamilton, Joe, Frank & Reynolds? (Or is it Hamilton, Joe & Frank Reynolds?

    Okay, okay, if everyone’s going to get so upset about it, how about if I change my vote to the jarring need to break up the Nordic fairytale Sampo-follies of “Day the Earth Froze” with a bitter stinging satirical savaging of narcissistic feminist one-woman shows?
    Or, would that be “Most Mary Jo host segment in the Joel Series”? (I mean, Mike helped…)

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  19. Kenneth Morgan says:

    I think one particular Mike era segment that looks Joel-ish would be the Jackie Coogan fashion skit from “Space Children”. It does have a somewhat harder edge, reflecting Bill’s characterization of Crow, but it still has a vibe from the previous era.

    I’ll have to think about the reverse application.

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  20. GareChicago says:

    The Original EricJ:

    (“Huhuh, he called EricJ a douchebag, I’m gonna give it fifteen Likes!”…Honestly, how Trump-tweet could you be?)

    Notice how posts that lambaste you get tons of likes, while your own arrogant, asinine drivel usually gets zero? Do you believe there is any correlation there?

    More importantly – will you actually consider this and respond accordingly, or will you just ignore this question and make believe that you have friends here?

    Because you don’t.

    Delete your account.

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  21. Joe Boltonn says:

    The Original EricJ: The Joel-era paid attention to the movie, and relished in how silly it was.A movie had to be PRET-ty darn silly enough for M&tB to get over themselves enough to notice it, let alone pageant its strange moments on board the ship.(At least without some of the Kevin-directed bile of letting Servo simply rant against it.)

    And there was never a more facetiously absurd Joel-y moment of shipboard scene-specific movie-pageant during the Mike era than the Shoe Polish of Deceit:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjRQ2XXM4wU
    (Even Gypsy’s Happy Russian Weaving Song from “Sword & the Dragon”, or Servo turning ado-wable from “Jack Frost” had more movie-bored snideness around the edges than absurdity or silliness, and Bill-Crow’s string of “Yep, guys, I dressed up as the character” felt more of a meta-jibe at “Get us, fans, we’re writing comedy host sketches!”.)

    Hobgoblins’ “disguised” escape attempt also nostalgically brought back the Joel-era idea that the guys’ sanity was being driven to the breaking point by mad scientists…Yeah, remember that, few years ago, what happened wit’ that?

    As for “Mike-ish Joel moments”, was there really THAT much of a comically off-topic need to delve into debates over the proper punctuation of Hamilton, Joe, Frank & Reynolds?(Or is it Hamilton, Joe & Frank Reynolds?Anyway, it was the group that had that one song in the 70’s, and…then they had that other song that sounded like the first one.)

    Also, we’re glad that Mike finally got all his grudges against Morrissey off his chest, in 403’s “City Limits”.Any time in the CC-era that Mike would do his latest annoying-celebrity imitation, or avenge against the evils of Jack Perkins, it just felt like those moments on the old 80’s David Letterman when Chris Elliott would wander out, and the audience would groan “O-kayyy, he wants to do his Marlon Brando thing again, whatever that is, make it quick…”https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRIWTliXJU4

    MIKEBADjoelgoodMIKEBADjoelgoodMIKEBADjoelgoodMIKEBADjoelgoodMIKEBADjoelgoodMIKEBADjoelgoodMIKEBADjoelgoodMIKEBADjoelgoodMIKEBADjoelgoodMIKEBADjoelgoodMIKEBADjoelgoodMIKEBADjoelgoodMIKEBADjoelgoodMIKEBADjoelgoodMIKEBADjoelgoodMIKEBADjoelgoodMIKEBADjoelgoodMIKEBADjoelgoodMIKEBADjoelgoodMIKEBADjoelgood…JONAH?

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  22. Joe Boltonn: MIKEBADjoelgoodMIKEBADjoelgoodMIKEBADjoelgoodMIKEBADjoelgoodMIKEBADjoelgoodMIKEBADjoelgoodMIKEBADjoelgoodMIKEBADjoelgoodMIKEBADjoelgoodMIKEBADjoelgoodMIKEBADjoelgoodMIKEBADjoelgoodMIKEBADjoelgoodMIKEBADjoelgoodMIKEBADjoelgoodMIKEBADjoelgoodMIKEBADjoelgoodMIKEBADjoelgoodMIKEBADjoelgoodMIKEBADjoelgood…JONAH?

    mikebadjoelgoodJONAHGETSITmikebadjoelgoodJONAHGETSITmikebadjoelgoodJONAHGETSITmikebadjoelgoodJONAHGETSIT…

    And since the Netflix show was trying to be both shows to all audiences, we can say that Jonah’s series had its share of silly movie-facetious (and occasionally prop-comedied) Joel Moments–like the Yongary Nightclub and the Creepy Head Parade–AND self-consciously clever standup/vanity Mike Moments, like the Monster Song, or self-aware subplots like the Moon 13 dramas…There, everybody’s happy.

    (Although the fact that Joel Hodgson was directing the segments meant we probably had more of one than the other.)

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  23. Sitting Duck says:

    Let’s not be too hard. After all, the nature of this topic exposes his Joel Vs. Mike stance as the hollow lie it’s always been. Probably the only thing more traumatizing would be to have Joel come up to him and say that he’s ashamed to have someone like him as a fan. What makes it really sad is that he’s obsessed over it for more than twenty years, and it appears that he intends to go further into denial rather than come to terms. I imagine that even the I Hate Tom Servo’s New Voice banner guy has managed to move on.

    Back on topic, I’ve previously avoided mentioning instances from the fifth season, since that could be considered a transition period. Still, let’s acknowledge the Bots surgically altering Joel into Arch Hall Jr. in Eegah, as well as the Cheating Saga from The Wild, Wild World of Batwoman.

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  24. Kenneth Morgan says:

    Re: Joel-era segments with a Mike-era style, that’s a bit difficult. I suppose one candidate would be the segment from “Godzilla vs the Sea Monster” where Joel succumbs to space madness, just as Mike would a few times later on. How about that one?

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  25. littleaimishboy says:

    I’m gonna give it fifteen Likes!”…Honestly, how Trump-tweet could you be?)

    The way the Comments sections are set up does not allow one poster to give multiple likes to a post.
    If a post has, let’s say 24, “likes”, that means that 24 individual posters gave it a “like”.

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  26. I just don’t get how somebody can get so deeply obsessed with the hosts of a fun cow-town puppet show that they act like a sniveling child. As for me I like both Joel and Mike but prefer Mike’s overall body of work, at the same time I am know that the show couldn’t exist as it did without Joel and I am grateful to him for that. Anyway as the The theme song says “it’s just a show , I should really just relax “

    That went on longer than I intended sorry about that. Anyhoo, as to the topic at hand, I believe that the segment where they showed selected mistakes from Cave Dwellers was Mike-ish and the segment in Santa Claus wherein Mike and the bots get a snow day, was pretty Joel-ish. Happy holidays, gang.

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