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Weekend Discussion Thread: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly

Alert reader Brandon suggests:

The Good. Susan Gordon’s acting in “Tormented”.

The Bad: No monster in “Monster A Go-Go.

The Ugly: Mitchell’s baby oil.

Okay…The good: Batwoman. Because, duh.

The bad: RADAR!

The ugly: “Can you identify this bucket of your brother?”

42 Replies to “Weekend Discussion Thread: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly”

  1. jay says:

    The Good: The teacher in Angel’s Revenge who fought against drugs in her school.

    The Bad: The Master in Manos who enslaved a little girl.

    The Ugly: Do I really need to say Crenshaw?


  2. DarkGrandmaofDeath says:

    The Good: Petey Plane. He was adorable, and the President wanted to talk to him, you know.
    The Bad: The intensely annoying children in Gamera vs. Zigra. Not adorable in the least.
    The Ugly: Hobgoblins. Everything and everyone in it, everything about it. Purely vile.


  3. Sitting Duck says:

    The Good: Lupita of Santa Claus

    The Bad: Loukhy of The Day the Earth Froze

    The Ugly: The Incredible Melting Man


  4. skrag2112 says:

    The Good: Beverly Garland in ‘It Conquered The World’. She was ready to kick the monster’s ass (trusting it had one.)
    The Bad: Droppo in ‘Santa Claus Conquers The Martians’. So annoying. So punchable.
    The Ugly: The two peeping airmen in ‘Attack Of The The Eye Creatures’. They make me want to puke.


  5. GOOD Carrie/Santa Claus, Sweetness and Peace on earth
    BAD JC Sidehackers, creepy rapist
    UGLY Gloria, inside and out. Looks like a thug and pimps young girls.


  6. Son of Peanut says:

    GOOD: Gene Hackman in “Space Travellers” (He’s good in everything).

    BAD: The accents in “The Atomic Brain”

    UGLY: The gross film that seems to be over everyone and everything in “The Incredibly Strange Creatures…”


  7. duke of puddles says:

    the Good (and the beautiful) Kathy Ireland in a non speaking part.
    the Bad tHe MaSTer
    the Ugly ALL of the male dancers from ‘Horror Beach.’


  8. Yeti of Great Danger says:

    The Good: James Franciscus in “Space Travellers,” since he’s also good in anything.

    The Bad: Peter Graves’s character in “Beginning of the End,” since he thinks the giant bug problem is “partly” his fault. It’s ALL your fault, you moron.

    The Ugly: Joe Don Baker, since he’s ugly, inside and out, in anything.


  9. Kenotic says:

    Shorts edition!

    The Good: The lead woman’s dancing in Design for Dreaming. Whatever the heck they’re selling, she’s great at it.
    The Bad: The lazy rhymes in Alphabet Antics: O is for Once? Q is the for the Queer pelican?
    The Ugly: Most anything in Catching Trouble, but specifically the racist cracks about the Seminole Man and the screaming bear cubs as they’re literally torn away from their homes.


  10. jay says:


    The Ugly: Most anything in Catching Trouble, but specifically the racist cracks about the Seminole Man and the screaming bear cubs as they’re literally torn away from their homes.

    That sounds like it was taken out of the current headlines. Unfortunately.


  11. The Good : all the music in ‘Century 21 Calling’, especially the one used in Host Segment 1
    The Bad : Teenage Cave Man
    The Ugly : Lt. Lamont’s Package


  12. RedZoneTuba says:

    Trying to get them all from one movie, The Girl in Gold Boots
    Good: The Girl (Michele) – a bit naive, but a nice gal and smokin’ hot to boot (pun intended)
    Bad: The nightclub owner (Leo) – pretty much pure evil
    Ugly: Buzz – ugly inside and out, despite being so YOUNG!


  13. The Good: Bryant Haliday in Devil Doll and The Projected Man.

    The Bad: Wanda Cannons’ singing in OATMB.

    The Ugly: Charles B. Pierces’ batch in Boggy Creek 2


  14. mst3kme says:

    The Good:

    Rifftrax has a new film available for download.

    “Omega Cop” starring MST3K stalwart Adam West and Rifftrax mainstay Stuart Whitman.

    The Bad:

    Mike’s Twitter has been hijacked by a purse company.

    The Lovely:

    This post from Frank’s Twitter.


  15. Raigely says:

    The Good: The goofy charm radiating off of “Santa Claus Conquers the Martians”. I mean it! For as dinky as it is I think it’s cute.

    The Bad: The identical beaky-nosed white guy fight in “The Skydivers”. To this day I can’t keep them straight.

    The Ugly: “Can I PONY?”


  16. The Great Crowdini says:

    The Good: Nastia in “Jack Frost”

    The Bad: Kalgan in “Space Mutiny”

    The Ugly: Grandma Dried Apple Face in ” Touch of Satan”


  17. The Great Crowdini says:

    The Good: Mst3k’s renewal.

    The Bad: Tom’s “hair cut” from Season 2.

    The Ugly: The online flame wars of the 90’s


  18. Son of Peanut says:

    Every year of my life I become more and more convinced that the wisest and the best is to focus on…

    THE GOOD (and the beautiful): Dolores Faith

    THE BAD: Science that says people are just balloons

    THE UGLY: Those space suits


  19. The Good: Little Richard

    The Bad: Kenny and Helen

    The Ugly: The thug who pulls his gun from his butt in Zombie Nightmare

    Also, a definite like for Brandon’s topic suggestion, his choices, AND Sampo’s choices! (That last was truly inspired!)


  20. mando3b says:

    Holy Cow, so many choices, esp. for the “Bad” and the “Ugly”, even with all the good posts made so far. Sooo, let’s play three:

    1. Good: Lupita and Sandy and all the other good little children forced to act well and be cute in bad movies.
    Bad: The not-so-special effects: Danger! Death Ray!! (“These are not toys!”), Reptilicus (“This is not a blob of clay eating Copenhagen!!”), etc.
    Ugly: Everyone in Eegah, be it physically or morally; from the title character, to the leads, to Dr. Miller’s cameo-appearance friend at “the club” who looks like a Wm. Faulkner who’s been left in the oven too long.

    2. Good: Carrie from Girl in Lover’s Lane and Chase from Giant Gila Monster; I really liked both these characters a lot.
    Bad: All those cynical Italian knock-offs of James Bond and Star Wars, Christmas/Almost Wasn’t, Outlaw, etc., etc., etc.
    Ugly: The moral universe of Coleman Francis, at least in Red Zone Cuba & Yucca Flats.

    3. Good: The Japanese monster movies! A cherished fixture of my childhood, made even better by MST3K riffing. Includes Prince of Space, but not Attack of the Neptune Men.
    Bad: The science in The Brain That Wouldn’t Die, The Atomic Brain, Werewolf, They Live By Night, etc.
    Ugly: Some of the more egregious batch shots: Blood Beast, Deathstalker, and Boggy Creek, especially.


  21. Mibbitmaker says:

    THE GOOD: Manos, the MST3K episode.
    THE BAD: Manos, the movie.
    THE UGLY: Manos, the storyline.

    And I’ll add:
    THE GREAT: The mads apologizing for the movie, and, “Unfortunately, we’ll be right back.”


  22. dakotaboy says:

    The good: Droppo
    The bad: Droppo
    The ugly: Droppo


  23. Cornjob says:

    The good: The demure Kendra Eldridge in Phase 4.

    The bad: The relationships in Batwoman.

    The ugly: The sexuality in Hobgoblins.


  24. itsspideyman says:

    The Good: ALL the Girls in “The Girl With the Gold Boots”…man, love me some Jerk and Pony!

    The Bad: Traveler, Critter’s bike. Did that thing ever move on its own?

    The Ugly: So many…..Leo’s evil doppelganger? Buz, even though he was just a child? Harvey Blatz, for brewing a crummy beer?


  25. Kenneth Morgan says:

    The Good: Lupita in “Santa Claus”. She’s sorely tempted, but she doesn’t give up her principles.
    The Bad: Kenny in “Gamera”. Yes, he’s got a bunch of emotional problems, but he’s really annoying and reckless.
    The Ugly: Icho in “Yongary”. Annoying, reckless and malicious.


  26. Ray Dunakin says:

    From “The Horrors of Spider Island”

    The Good: Ann, the nice blonde girl from Minnesota.
    The Bad: Bobby, the woman-hating womanizer.
    The Ugly: Poor, naive Gladys getting forced over a cliff by SpiderGary.


  27. The Good: Claude Akins rump
    The Bad: The appendix scar on the Mighty Jack stripper
    The Ugly: Eegah’s Musk leech of a tongue


  28. Hmmm, These Are Good Hot dogs! says:

    The Good: We never saw Bobo’s red butt.
    The Bad: We never saw Bobo’s red butt.
    The Ugly: Possibility of a Brain Guy powder white butt.


  29. The Good: That terrible actor who played that bit part as a scientist in Revenge of the Creature. Jeez I hope they never let him act again.
    The Bad: John Peter McAllister aka The Master Ninja. and his gut.
    The Ugly: Ortega. Eli Wallach wasn’t in a Mst’d movie but he was in Mackenna’s Gold and that’s one of TV’s Frank’s favorites. Ortega is versatile though.


  30. Hmmm, These Are Good Hot dogs! says:

    Brock Lee Rubberband:
    The Good: That terrible actor who played that bit part as a scientist in Revenge of the Creature. Jeez I hope they never let him act again.

    Wasn’t there a lost scene where after the Creature was killed, the same guy channels it via a chair?

    BTW I think his part was just a lab technician. Not busting chops.


  31. mando3b says:

    The Good: Riffs seemingly made especially for me–references to Chicago suburbs that I know, esp. Downers Grove, where my sister lives; and all those wonderful baseball references (e.g., “Ha! He slides like Ron Santo!” from The Creeping Terror).
    The Bad: The bad reads–“Dis is absolutely fascinating”, “Ohh, I wish I had that pretty mind back!”, etc.
    The Ugly: Yongary’s intense rectal bleeding; it’s bad enough to lose a character you’ve come to love–at least let him die with dignity.


  32. Murdock Hauser says:

    Thanks Sampo for selecting my WDT idea your the man, also thanks for the kind words Professor Gunther, and I’m loving everyone’s comments you’re all awesome. I’ve got another.

    The Good: The Hitler building getting destroyed in “The Invasion Of The Neptune Men”.

    The Bad: Phantom Of Krankor’s no cups allowed policy.

    The Ugly: The animal cruelty in “Merlin’s Shop Of Mystical Wonders”.


  33. Kenneth Morgan says:

    The Good: The vast majority of the crew & passengers of “SST: Death Flight” voting to risk their own lives rather than possibly allowing the Senegal Flu to run rampant in London.
    The Bad: Noel & Yuri is in it for fame and fortune?
    The Ugly: In “Gamera vs. Barugon”, Onodera kills a whole bunch of people (including a disabled man and his wife), causes Barugon to be hatched and wreak havoc, and even risks the safety of the world by stealing the diamond that was being used to try to lead Barugon into a trap.


  34. Speedy B. says:

    The good: You get to experience youth again!
    The bad: You have to kill people to get it.
    The ugly: What happens when you go without killing for too long.



  35. Johnny's nonchalance says:

    jay: That sounds like it was taken out of the current headlines.Unfortunately.

    Like the head being literally torn off a 13 year old girl with autism?


  36. Hmmm, These Are Good Hot dogs! says:

    Johnny’s nonchalance:

    Like the head being literally torn off a 13 year old girl with autism?

    Ugg is that needed here? Please man. No offense, but come on. :(


  37. Johnny’s nonchalance

    How about deleting your entry? It would be good for you and the rest of us.


  38. duke of puddles says:

    Johnny’s nonchalance:

    Like the head being literally torn off a 13 year old girl with autism?

    i really don’t remember asking for any hateful trolling. can we REALLY not keep the politics and this….stuff out of this site?


  39. touches no one's life, then leaves says:

    duke of puddles: i really don’t remember asking for any hateful trolling.

    That’s the “beauty” of it. You don’t have to ask. You don’t even have to think of it.


  40. The Good: Ilya Muromets. He was badass. Like a Russian Davy Crockett.

    The Bad: Heathcliff from Batwoman. The whole movie really.

    The Ugly: Dan Kester from Giant Spider Invasion. That moment where we see him in longjohns and a girdle…*barf*

    2nd choices
    The Good: Vahdino from Pumaman. He’s the REAL hero. Did all the work and saved the pyumaman’s hinder several times!

    The Bad: Jonathon Haze’s “Mexican” accent in It Conquered the World. So offensive.

    The Ugly: The two scientists unrepentantly ogling the secretary in Fire Maidens of Outer Space and making jokes about what kind of women they can ogle on the new planet. #MeToo


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