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Weekend Discussion Thread: Some Season 12 Movie Titles Leaked?

MSTie Twitter was on fire today with info from this web site.

If it’s true–and I hasten to note that this is not an official announcement–here are five of the six titles that will be on season 12:

1201: MAC AND ME
1202: ATLANTIC RIM
1203: LORDS OF THE DEEP
1204: THE DAY TIME ENDED
1206 ATOR

Also notable: The name of the series is called “Mystery Science Theater 3000: The Gauntlet. Hmmm…

What do you think?

153 Replies to “Weekend Discussion Thread: Some Season 12 Movie Titles Leaked?”

  1. jay says:

    I have forgotten what this original WDT was. Sigh.

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  2. Johnny Drama says:

    jay:
    I have forgotten what this original WDT was.Sigh.

    Some Season 12 Movie Titles Leaked

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  3. Johnny Drama says:

    The Original EricJ: If Gypsy’s New Voice teaches us anything, it’s that there ARE no “amazing” female riffers.Even MJ showed promise in the Titanic shows, but…(sigh)

    As for E.T. knockoffs in the Pod People genre, there are a lot of folk still waiting for Jonah&tB to take on “Star Crystal”.Those who’ve watched it till the end will know why.

    Yes, except the 4:3 MST3K: Classic episodes–including B&W ones like “Beginning of the End”–have already been airing on widescreen Netflix for several years now.And no reports of burn-in, HDTV sets exploding, Netflix besieged with angry complaints of “What happened to the rest of my screen?”, fans huddling in fetal positions in apartment corners, or mass-epilepsies like that Pokemon episode.
    I think the fans can deal with it, J.We’re a hardy folk, think we’re strong enough to deal with any setback.Even that hair-tearing dilemma of “B-but…the HOST SEGMENTS would be widescreen color, and then the movie WOULDN’T be!”

    (The only foreseeable problem would be whether there was a film source for the movie, which wasn’t a problem with the SD TV-station movies.SD video is hard to upgrade to HDTV on a Netflix budget, so they’re sticking to 80’s movies that still have a film or, in Asylum’s case, digital source.)

    Those are old episodes. No new content produced at 4.3 anymore

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  4. Johnny Drama says:

    Lawgiver: You took the words right out of my mouth. I love Mike’s humor and acting, and all these bitter complaints about the post-Joel era give me that same impulse to defend Mike. I like Joel but not everything he does, but I try to keep that to myself because I know no one wants to hear it.

    Mike is awesome. It’s all the bad vibes surrounding the SciFi era we are discussing. Even The Brains weren’t happy then.

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  5. touches no one's life, then leaves says:

    Lawgiver: Well, the Brains made up their “original super-heroes”.

    Yes, but we (well, I, anyway) don’t know how many there were. We could perhaps determine how many there were. That was my point, such as it was. :-)

    There’s the Fantastic 185, of course, but I’d think dialogue-only characters would be something else entirely.

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  6. majorjoe23 says:

    The Original EricJ: If Gypsy’s New Voice teaches us anything, it’s that there ARE no “amazing” female riffers.Even MJ showed promise in the Titanic shows, but…(sigh)

    As for E.T. knockoffs in the Pod People genre, there are a lot of folk still waiting for Jonah&tB to take on “Star Crystal”.Those who’ve watched it till the end will know why.

    Yes, except the 4:3 MST3K: Classic episodes–including B&W ones like “Beginning of the End”–have already been airing on widescreen Netflix for several years now.And no reports of burn-in, HDTV sets exploding, Netflix besieged with angry complaints of “What happened to the rest of my screen?”, fans huddling in fetal positions in apartment corners, or mass-epilepsies like that Pokemon episode.
    I think the fans can deal with it, J.We’re a hardy folk, think we’re strong enough to deal with any setback.Even that hair-tearing dilemma of “B-but…the HOST SEGMENTS would be widescreen color, and then the movie WOULDN’T be!”

    (The only foreseeable problem would be whether there was a film source for the movie, which wasn’t a problem with the SD TV-station movies.SD video is hard to upgrade to HDTV on a Netflix budget, so they’re sticking to 80’s movies that still have a film or, in Asylum’s case, digital source.)

    Trollololololololololololol

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  7. Johnny Drama says:

    touches no one’s life, then leaves: Yes, but we (well, I, anyway) don’t know how many there were. We could perhaps determine how many there were. That was my point, such as it was. :-)

    There’s the Fantastic 185, of course, but I’d think dialogue-only characters would be something else entirely.

    I love the Fantastic 185. City Limits is one of my top favorites

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  8. Cornjob says:

    “Really Deep Man, he’s really deep, man.”

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  9. Johnny Drama:
    Why are you sad? MST3K is meant to bring joy. To me, every incarnation of MST3K is essentially the same. There’s really not that much difference. There’s always episodes that are better than others. But to completely dismiss an entire era of the show? What happened? How can we as fans help? What modern do you find funny?

    Weird, because a block quote apparently doesn’t allow the quote within the quote to show up. Sigh — so meta. Anyway, if you DO want to take the time to look back at my quote you excerpted you’ll see there is no mention of sadness at all. Not the word sad, nor any other word meaning sad. I think you either projected feelings or perhaps assumed — either thing Bad.

    I am EXTREMELY joyful, and spend much of the day, if not laughing, at least in bemused contemplation of life. You almost have to, when you are as old and decrepit as I am, laugh at it all. No, all I said or implied was this reboot doesn’t amuse me. It’s NOT FUNNY. That’s about as plain as I can make it. I think the entire season (which I watched because I paid for it — I was one of the first on the KS because I believed in Joel) I got about three laughs. Yes, it was not the snarkfest that RT has become — RT makes ME look so benign and uncynical it’s hard to believe. But the reboot just wasn’t well written or performed. There were technical problems (they didn’t give the movie time to breath — the pacing was easily 4x too fast) but the bigger issue is either I’m out of touch with what they thought was funny, or vice versa (it certainly didn’t help that the movies I like riffed are from the “old days” when folks who made a movie weren’t informed by the same things that people in the 90’s and later grew to know. The innocence of those days will never return, and the movies those people with that innocence made are SO wonderful to riff in a gentle and loving way).

    AND THAT’S OKAY. Unlike your analogy, I don’t sit by the lake bemoaning my fate. I have years and years worth of very clever and funny riffing to watch, let alone decades upon decades of such quality entertainment I could watch nothing made in this century and still never see it all. So, no worries, mate.

    And if YOU don’t see a quantitative difference between this reboot and the classic show — well, I don’t know how to feel for you. You are either the most undiscerning individual I’ve ever met (or not, as the internet might be), or you’re just the kind of person who is easily entertained. For those with more discriminatory tastes, not everything is the same, and the reboot is definitely NOT even close to MST3K as I watched it for a decade. That’s okay as well — the world is a wide place and your likes and dislikes don’t affect me at all, and neither should mine affect you.

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  10. touches no one's life, then leaves says:

    Johnny Drama: I love the Fantastic 185.

    You’d think that by now there’d be fan art depicting them (or, rather, of course, what they MIGHT look like) but I’ve never come across any (and I myself am definitely no artist). So it goes.

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  11. “It’s all the bad vibes surrounding the SciFi era we are discussing. Even The Brains weren’t happy then.”

    I must be living in a fool’s paradise because I’ve never gleaned any perceived behind the scenes trouble/drama in the onscreen product. The riffing remains solid throughout the entire SciFi run for me. The skits were never the main reason I watched the show, but SciFi skits haves as many hits and misses as previous iterations of the show IMO.

    I still find it hilarious how much it bristles certain fans that certain SciFi episodes are some of THE MOST popular episodes of the shows run. It really frosts their strawberries!

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  12. Johnny Drama says:

    SmudgyTheBootblack:
    “It’s all the bad vibes surrounding the SciFi era we are discussing. Even The Brains weren’t happy then.”

    I must be living in a fool’s paradise because I’ve never gleaned any perceived behind the scenes trouble/drama in the onscreen product. The riffing remains solid throughout the entire SciFi run for me. The skits were never the main reason I watched the show, but SciFi skits haves as many hits and misses as previous iterations of the show IMO.

    I still find it hilarious how much it bristles certain fans that certain SciFi episodes are some of THE MOST popular episodes of the shows run. It really frosts their strawberries!

    Because it doesn’t make any sense! It’s like saying Stairway To Heaven is the greatest Led Zeppelin song, or Enter Sandman is the greatest Metallica song, or even Smells Like Teen Spirit is the greatest Nirvana song. Just because that’s all the radio plays doesn’t automatically make it the greatest of their catalog. If anything, it’s the worst. When people say Space Mutiny, Final Sacrifice or Overdrawn is the greatest episode ever, it seems to me like that person hasn’t really dug through the older episodes enough. If they had, they’d find that special obscure episode that really means something to them on a personal level. Instead, we mostly get MCLARGEHUGE! (and why is he Irish, anyway?) Those episodes are fine, and all episodes are good, but tastes can be so mainstream sometimes. If not for the internet, I would have always thought MSTies to be the sole fandom that didn’t flock towards the mainstream selections. I wouldn’t have thought ANY episode would be a fan favorite above any other. Then you log in to the web and see Reb Brown’s screaming face endlessly, and you wonder, what is happening? We’re championing that one? When the previous 150+ episodes were all clearly better? Bizarro-land! And it’s not even about the Sci-Fi era: why is Riding With Death not tops, or even The Thing That Couldn’t Die? Deadly Bees? Boggy Creek 2? Space Children? These are all way better selections from that era. Of course, opinions.

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  13. Johnny Drama says:

    As soon as the show moved to Sci-Fi, a new show runner was put in place, and the show was forced to change into a storyline. Once Jim Mallon quit playing Gypsy about halfway through Season 8, everything went downhill, fast.
    Thankfully, by Season 9, the show runner was replaced and the program started to get back on it’s legs. But it was too late; cancelled again. Which is too bad. Season 10 was my favorite of the Sci-Fi era.

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  14. Johnny Drama: Because it doesn’t make any sense! It’s like saying Stairway To Heaven is the greatest Led Zeppelin song, or Enter Sandman is the greatest Metallica song, or even Smells Like Teen Spirit is the greatest Nirvana song. Just because that’s all the radio plays doesn’t automatically make it the greatest of their catalog. If anything, it’s the worst. When people say Space Mutiny, Final Sacrifice or Overdrawn is the greatest episode ever, it seems to me like that person hasn’t really dug through the older episodes enough. If they had, they’d find that special obscure episode that really means something to them on a personal level. Instead, we mostly get MCLARGEHUGE! .

    Well, cult fan-favorites aren’t anything new–Even as far back as S1, they discovered that more fans remembered cult-callback lines from “Robot Holocaust” than remembered that The Corpse Vanishes or The Black Scorpion even existed.
    But that was back in the Comedy Channel days, when only a small cult of late-nite viewers who even WATCHED the channel would know the episodes in the first place–Sort of like when us older folks were kids in ’74, and it was really cool and secret to know lines from the PBS Friday-night Monty Python episodes, even before Holy Grail came out, and everyone showed off lines about coconut-laden swallows.

    The reason the SciFi Mutineers get all the guff is, well, the Stairway to Heaven ref pretty well nailed it: Once it became a second-generation marketed item, there were more fans in love with telling the world “I’M A MSTIE!!” from the cable channel that was marketing it, than actually quoting lines from episodes you didn’t get to see except on VHS tapes off of channels that weren’t airing it anymore. To continue the Monty Python metaphor, sort of like beer-drinking college kids at the reunion concerts who belch along all the words to the Bruce Song off the record albums without realizing it never actually appeared on the TV show.
    The chief sacrament of SciFi Worship seems more to shout out lines and character names, rather than to get into what made one episode better than another–Something you get by actually watching the episodes, back to back with the ones that DON’T often get quoted. Unless they’re SciFi, of course, in which they all sooner or later end up quoted.
    And, like Mr. McL, what apparently makes a SciFi episode “great” is that it has more Iconic Lines to quote, or M&tB make a point of beating them into fans’ heads more often.

    (And I’ve already gone into the whole scientific dissection of Why Space Mutiny? on the appropriate discussion thread. Sort of like Joel’s analysis-diagram of “I Accuse My Parents”, only in this case, a big interconnected network with “Goofy Millennial 80’s-Shaming” at the center of all the motivation, in the place where “Stupidity” should be.)

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  15. Johnny Drama says:

    Mike “ex-genius” Kelley: Weird, because a block quote apparently doesn’t allow the quote within the quote to show up.Sigh — so meta.Anyway, if you DO want to take the time to look back at my quote you excerpted you’ll see there is no mention of sadness at all.Not the word sad, nor any other word meaning sad.I think you either projected feelings or perhaps assumed — either thing Bad.

    I am EXTREMELY joyful, and spend much of the day, if not laughing, at least in bemused contemplation of life.You almost have to, when you are as old and decrepit as I am, laugh at it all.No, all I said or implied was this reboot doesn’t amuse me.It’s NOT FUNNY.That’s about as plain as I can make it.I think the entire season (which I watched because I paid for it — I was one of the first on the KS because I believed in Joel) I got about three laughs.Yes, it was not the snarkfest that RT has become — RT makes ME look so benign and uncynical it’s hard to believe.But the reboot just wasn’t well written or performed.There were technical problems (they didn’t give the movie time to breath — the pacing was easily 4x too fast) but the bigger issue is either I’m out of touch with what they thought was funny, or vice versa (it certainly didn’t help that the movies I like riffed are from the “old days” when folks who made a movie weren’t informed by the same things that people in the 90’s and later grew to know.The innocence of those days will never return, and the movies those people with that innocence made are SO wonderful to riff in a gentle and loving way).

    AND THAT’S OKAY.Unlike your analogy, I don’t sit by the lake bemoaning my fate.I have years and years worth of very clever and funny riffing to watch, let alone decades upon decades of such quality entertainment I could watch nothing made in this century and still never see it all.So, no worries, mate.

    And if YOU don’t see a quantitative difference between this reboot and the classic show — well, I don’t know how to feel for you.You are either the most undiscerning individual I’ve ever met (or not, as the internet might be), or you’re just the kind of person who is easily entertained.For those with more discriminatory tastes, not everything is the same, and the reboot is definitely NOT even close to MST3K as I watched it for a decade.That’s okay as well — the world is a wide place and your likes and dislikes don’t affect me at all, and neither should mine affect you.

    I just wanted to know what modern stuff you find funny. Just gauging tastes

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  16. Cornjob says:

    I’m not a fascist when it comes to staying on topic and can enjoy and appreciate a good digression; but it seems like this discussion thread has gotten so far in to the weeds that the track is no longer visible.

    I liked the last season, and whatever reservations I may or may not have about some of the titles mentioned, I’m willing to give the new season a watch before I make up my mind about it.

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  17. DarkGrandmaofDeath says:

    Yeti of Great Danger: While not an “E.T.” knockoff exactly, “Flight of the Navigator” (1986) is in the same vein.Despite an annoyingly voiced alien ship (Paul Reubens aka PeeWee Herman), it was a fairly decent movie.For some reason, in the late ’80s our preschooler was wild about this movie and would happily watch it over and over on videotape, but he mispronounced it “Flight of the Alligator.”For what that’s worth.

    Yeti, I think that’s worth quite a lot. I would watch a movie called “Flight of the Alligator,” if in fact it featured an alligator that could fly (either as an F-15 pilot or by propelling his body through the skies). I’d go to the sticky-floored theater to see it. I would buy it on Blu-Ray. Why does this movie not yet exist?

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  18. Yeti of Great Danger says:

    DarkGrandmaofDeath: Yeti, I think that’s worth quite a lot. I would watch a movie called “Flight of the Alligator,” if in fact it featured an alligator that could fly (either as an F-15 pilot or by propelling his body through the skies).I’d go to the sticky-floored theater to see it.I would buy it on Blu-Ray. Why does this movie not yet exist?

    Unfortunately, a movie about flying alligators would probably go the way of the Sharknado franchise these days….

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  19. mando3b says:

    Johnny Drama: Because it doesn’t make any sense! It’s like saying Stairway To Heaven is the greatest Led Zeppelin song, or Enter Sandman is the greatest Metallica song, or even Smells Like Teen Spirit is the greatest Nirvana song. Just because that’s all the radio plays doesn’t automatically make it the greatest of their catalog. If anything, it’s the worst. When people say Space Mutiny, Final Sacrifice or Overdrawn is the greatest episode ever, it seems to me like that person hasn’t really dug through the older episodes enough. If they had, they’d find that special obscure episode that really means something to them on a personal level. Instead, we mostly get MCLARGEHUGE! (and why is he Irish, anyway?) Those episodes are fine, and all episodes are good, but tastes can be so mainstream sometimes. If not for the internet, I would have always thought MSTies to be the sole fandom that didn’t flock towards the mainstream selections. I wouldn’t have thought ANY episode would be a fan favorite above any other. Then you log in to the web and see Reb Brown’s screaming face endlessly, and you wonder, what is happening? We’re championing that one? When the previous 150+ episodes were all clearly better? Bizarro-land! And it’s not even about the Sci-Fi era: why is Riding With Death not tops, or even The Thing That Couldn’t Die? Deadly Bees? Boggy Creek 2? Space Children? These are all way better selections from that era. Of course, opinions.

    Oh, for God’s sake–now I’m damned by the epithet “mainstream” because Space Mutiny is probably my favorite episode?!? I had seen most of the CC episodes several times before the Sci-Fi years–I knew what the hell MST was before then. My personal “best of” list–which changes daily, depending on my mood–is a nice blend of eps from all eras, as is yours and everyone else’s, I would guess. SM is one of a couple that are always at the top. Get a life, people: if you don’t like Sci-Fi episodes, don’t watch them, but please understand that some of us do and we are actually reasonably intelligent folks. Anyway, it’s been 20 years: as Mike once said, “Shop class was a long time ago, man, let it go!”

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  20. DarkGrandmaofDeath says:

    Yeti of Great Danger: Unfortunately, a movie about flying alligators would probably go the way of the Sharknado franchise these days….

    Yeah, it’s all too possible, but I’d like to imagine some enthusiastic, clueless filmmaker (your Coleman Francis/Ed Wood/James Nguyen type) who just wants to make movies in the purest, most inept way imaginable. No cynicism, no sly winks or ironic jabs at the audience. Can you imagine what a flying-alligator-based Francis film could have been? People on the ground talking about getting coffee, but…what’s that? Why, it’s an alligator dive-bombing those skydivers! “Blood on the ‘chute…how did it get there?”

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  21. Yeti of Great Danger says:

    DarkGrandmaofDeath: Yeah, it’s all too possible, but I’d like to imagine some enthusiastic, clueless filmmaker (your Coleman Francis/Ed Wood/James Nguyen type) who just wants to make movies in the purest, most inept way imaginable.No cynicism, no sly winks or ironic jabs at the audience.Can you imagine what a flying-alligator-based Francis film could have been?People on the ground talking about getting coffee, but…what’s that?Why, it’s an alligator dive-bombing those skydivers! “Blood on the ‘chute…how did it get there?”

    You make my Saturdays better, DarkGrandmaofDeath. That is all.

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  22. mando3b says:

    DarkGrandmaofDeath: Yeah, it’s all too possible, but I’d like to imagine some enthusiastic, clueless filmmaker (your Coleman Francis/Ed Wood/James Nguyen type) who just wants to make movies in the purest, most inept way imaginable.No cynicism, no sly winks or ironic jabs at the audience.Can you imagine what a flying-alligator-based Francis film could have been?People on the ground talking about getting coffee, but…what’s that?Why, it’s an alligator dive-bombing those skydivers! “Blood on the ‘chute…how did it get there?”

    Best. Post. Ever.

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  23. When it all comes down to it it’s really about wanting to feel superior to all the mainstream “sheeple”, right?

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  24. Johnny Drama:
    As soon as the show moved to Sci-Fi, a new show runner was put in place, and the show was forced to change into a storyline. Once Jim Mallon quit playing Gypsy about halfway through Season 8, everything went downhill, fast.
    Thankfully, by Season 9, the show runner was replaced and the program started to get back on it’s legs. But it was too late; cancelled again. Which is too bad. Season 10 was my favorite of the Sci-Fi era.

    This is news to me. Mike is typically listed as the Head Writer and Jim is head honcho at Best Brains. Who are these show runners?

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  25. Johnny Drama: I just wanted to know what modern stuff you find funny. Just gauging tastes

    Ah, okay then — sorry if I misunderstood.

    Modern stuff — I like “The Good Place” a lot. It goes places even *I* don’t anticipate (which is unusual since most comedy shows since the 80’s are as predictable as they come. That doesn’t make them all bad, just very predictable). Along those lines “Bojack Horseman” is also very funny and unpredictable (however we’re only at season three so I can’t say if it stays that way). “The Amazing Ms. Maisel” was a fantastic show but like another “comedy” I also like, “G.L.O.W” it’s less a “comedy” than a “light-hearted drama”. Those shows are blurring the category (hell, for that matter, both “Good Place” and “Bojack” tend to do the same). That’s about all I can watch on today’s television that isn’t a superhero series.

    As much as I like all the above shows, none of them are as funny as, say, “The Larry Sanders” show (to pick a comedy with similar adult tastes). And it’s been almost impossible to find anything as simply light-hearted and laugh worthy as any of the classic sitcoms like “Dick Van Dyke” or the previously mentioned here “Bob Newhart Show” (the one where he’s the psychologist — he had a lot of shows but that was head and shoulders above them all). Or classic MST3K. Those shows wanted you to laugh, they weren’t concerned with making you think (really) and if there are shows like that today they certainly aren’t aimed at me.

    And, again, okay. Very okay. Youth must be served and when I say that classic line it’s worth considering what it means. Every generation has its time, and there was a time when the folks who made entertainment aimed what they were making squarely at me. It was wonderful and thrilling in a way I’m not sure any generations that followed quite felt, because nowadays they are informed by the fact that marketing IS targeting them, and we were not. We just went “wow, they are making THAT!” and ate it up, not understanding that very clever people were trying to sell to us. I’m not sure I’d really want it any other way because, frankly, the folks who DO think they are appealing to us oldsters nearly always get it wrong. They are either condescending (similar to the way the advertisers used to try and appeal to kids) or they just miss the mark so completely it’s bewildering.

    And, BTW, although I think today’s Rifftrax is pretty awful, once upon a time I really liked it. It’s worth pointing that out because the guys doing the show are indeed my generation, so people supportive of them often shake their heads and go “but don’t you like these old guys?” The problem is, either they also changed course along the way in order to appeal to a younger crowd, or (more likely) they are driven by youngsters like Connor who don’t write for us old people (I think it’s the latter pretty much — it would explain why Kevin and Bill in particular appear to be phoning it in. They don’t seem to even be trying anymore and I suspect it’s because they don’t understand the jokes any more than I do).

    Anyway, I’ve gone on FAR too long. Just wanted to politely respond to you. I’m very happy, I had *some* new things I can watch (at least 2 1/2 seasons more of Bojack, for sure :>) and, as I said, many, many hundreds of hours of MST3K to revisit. That’s fine and enough. Enjoy season 12 (I’ll definitely try watching one — while I have very little hope it will be good, I’m still always optimistic).

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  26. SmudgyTheBootblack:
    When it all comes down to it it’s really about wanting to feel superior to all the mainstream “sheeple”, right?

    So, you like the fact that MST3K has been reduced to “Big McLargeHuge”?

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  27. littleaimishboy says:

    SmudgyTheBootblack: This is news to me. Mike is typically listed as the Head Writer and Jim is head honcho at Best Brains. Who are these show runners?

    First time I came across the term I thought it must be some guy the show sends on coffee runs etc. But no. The showrunner actually runs a TV show. There isn’t exactly an equivalent individual person in stage or movie work. Basically, they’re in charge of the show, on behalf of The Network/The Suits/The People Upstairs. If the showrunner thinks the interstitials need a story arc, the writers, including the head writer, better give them a story arc.

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  28. Kenneth Morgan says:

    SmudgyTheBootblack: This is news to me. Mike is typically listed as the Head Writer and Jim is head honcho at Best Brains. Who are these show runners?

    This might mean the brass at The Second Network Which Shall Remain Nameless: Barry Schulman, who was a fan and was well-regarded by BBI, and Bonnie Hammer, who succeeded him and who famously said she was going to “kill that $#@%&!# puppet show”. Even so, I’ve heard comments from the cast members that the treatment they got from TSNWSRN was, in comparison to other networks, not too bad.

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  29. littleaimishboy: First time I came across the term I thought it must be some guy the show sends on coffee runs etc.But no.The showrunner actually runs a TV show.There isn’t exactly an equivalent individual person in stage or movie work.Basically, they’re in charge of the show, on behalf of The Network/The Suits/The People Upstairs.If the showrunner thinks the interstitials need a story arc, the writers, including the head writer, better give them a story arc.

    Kenneth Morgan: This might mean the brass at The Second Network Which Shall Remain Nameless: Barry Schulman, who was a fan and was well-regarded by BBI, and Bonnie Hammer, who succeeded him and who famously said she was going to “kill that $#@%&!# puppet show”.Even so, I’ve heard comments from the cast members that the treatment they got from TSNWSRN was, in comparison to other networks, not too bad.

    In the new binge-streaming era of season-long arcs, showrunners are now becoming the in-demand TV-industry rockstars (when a new channel says “Get me that Game of Thrones guy!”, they’re not referring to the director)–
    Which, as you can see, will come as a surprise to older fans of shows who thought that head writers were god-muses on earth and dictated every single creative decision on a hit show…

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  30. touches no one's life, then leaves says:

    Michael Kuzmanovski: So, you like fact that MST3K has been reduced to “Big McLargeHuge”?

    I might or might not like that if I knew what the heck it MEANS

    Seriously, sometimes it’s like some of you folks are speaking Ancient Sumerian run backwards through Babelfish OSLT.

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  31. Lawgiver says:

    Michael Kuzmanovski: So, you like fact that MST3K has been reduced to “Big McLargeHuge”?

    Yes, some people find the SciFi era funnier/funniest. Why do people have a problem with that? There’s enough variety in this show for everyone.

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  32. touches no one's life, then leaves says:

    There’s this old joke, “Did you hear about the actress who was so stupid that she f*cked the WRITER?” No one in film/TV has ever considered writers to be gods.

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  33. Johnny Drama says:

    Lawgiver: Yes, some people find the SciFi era funnier/funniest. Why do people have a problem with that? There’s enough variety in this show for everyone.

    There is no problem with whatever era anyone loves. What I don’t get is championing only a handful of episodes, and never talking about the rest. Some people watch about 5 or 6 episodes, and that’s it. Then they think all MST3K is is McLargeHuge. I know the show isn’t for everyone, but there’s some weird representations of the show out there. There’s more to Rocky Horror than the Time Warp, you know? Anyway, watch out for snakes!

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  34. Johnny Drama: There is no problem with whatever era anyone loves. What I don’t get is championing only a handful of episodes, and never talking about the rest. Some people watch about 5 or 6 episodes, and that’s it. Then they think all MST3K is is McLargeHuge. I know the show isn’t for everyone, but there’s some weird representations of the show out there. There’s more to Rocky Horror than the Time Warp, you know? Anyway, watch out for snakes!

    This.

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  35. Lawgiver: Yes, some people find the SciFi era funnier/funniest. Why do people have a problem with that? There’s enough variety in this show for everyone.

    Including me, the Sci-Fi era is when I was able to watch MST3K. I missed the time on Comedy Central, and found the show just as it was going to leave that channel. So the Sci-Fi Channel era was MST3K to me. I even found the Joel episodes hard to watch at first. There is so much more to the show than Big McLargeHuge. That dumb distillation of MST3K even makes the Space Mutiny episode seem less than what it is.

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  36. touches no one's life, then leaves says:

    majorjoe23: Trollololololololololololol

    One Banana, Two Banana, Three Banana, Four…

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  37. littleaimishboy says:

    Johnny Drama: There is no problem with whatever era anyone loves. What I don’t get is championing only a handful of episodes, and never talking about the rest. Some people watch about 5 or 6 episodes, and that’s it. Then they think all MST3K is is McLargeHuge. I know the show isn’t for everyone, but there’s some weird representations of the show out there. There’s more to Rocky Horror than the Time Warp, you know? Anyway, watch out for snakes!

    Well, people are more likely to talk about the episodes they enjoy than the episodes they don’t enjoy. And the more people who enjoy a particular episode, the more that particular episode is going to be talked about. Apparently you perceive this as a problem. Okay, so what do you think should be done about it?

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  38. Johnny Drama says:

    littleaimishboy: Well, people are more likely to talk about the episodes they enjoy than the episodes they don’t enjoy.And the more people who enjoy a particular episode, the more that particular episode is going to be talked about.Apparently you perceive this as a problem.Okay, so what do you think should be done about it?

    Watch more episodes

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  39. littleaimishboy says:

    Johnny Drama: Watch more episodes

    Who are you suggesting should do that? The problem you’re complaining about simply doesn’t exist. The comments sections for each episode go on for pages and pages. The number of people on this forum who only watch “5 or 6 episodes” must be tiny. Actually I doubt there’s anyone like that here at all.

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  40. littleaimishboy: Who are you suggesting should do that? The problem you’re complaining about simply doesn’t exist.The comments sections for each episode go on for pages and pages.The number of people on this forum who only watch “5 or 6 episodes” must be tiny.Actually I doubt there’s anyone like that here at all.

    Agreed. I don’t know ANYONE who only watches “5 or 6” episodes. These guys come off like they just want to start a fight over nothing. I prefer the Mike era. I started watching the show in 1990. So even though I started with Joel, I prefer the Mike eps. As far as I’m concerned, the writing is just sharper and funnier in the Mike era. Frankly, there’s some Joel shows that are absolutely inert and unfunny (CITY LIMITS, THE PAINTED HILLS, SPACE TRAVELERS, etc). It’s all about personal preference. Who cares if people love SPACE MUTINY? It’s one of my top 5 episodes. BECAUSE IT’S FRIGGIN’ FUNNY. Jeez, get over yourselves and just enjoy the darn show as you see fit to.

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  41. Johnny Drama says:

    littleaimishboy: Who are you suggesting should do that?

    The general populous. The handful of people who post here are not those in question. I’m talking overall, in other places of the web.

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  42. Johnny Drama says:

    Anyway, speaking of other places on the web…

    I discovered this information, which should put the discussion back on track. These are the supposed lengths of the new episodes:

    1201-MAC AND ME, 81m 47s
    1202-ATLANTIC RIM, 80m 15s
    1203-LORDS OF THE DEEP, 78m 48s
    1204-THE DAY TIME ENDED, 82m 28s
    1205-?
    1206-ATOR, 82m 51s

    Wow, those are super short! The movie portion itself used to be 79 minutes of the show. Now it would appear the episodes are closer to the length of “MST3K: The Movie.”

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  43. Quick and dirty.

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  44. Jesse Shade says:

    I think I get the “Gauntlet” concept. It looks like the theme of this season is famously bad movie genres or producers. 1201 is an infamously bad ET ripoff (as well as one of MST3K’s most requested titles); 1202 is a movie from The Asylum (home of the SHARKNADO “film series”); 1203 is a Roger Corman production; 1204 is a Charles Band production; and 1206 is from the genre of CONAN THE BARBARIAN ripoffs (as well as the prequel to CAVE DWELLERS). So enduring all these movies from legends of Z-grade schlock is gonna serve as the “Gauntlet” that Jonah and the Bots have to survive from Kinga and Max. Also, three of these movies are distributed on video and/or streaming by Shout! Factory, so that helps support the possible accuracy of this list. Just a theory, though!

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  45. Cameron Bane says:

    Apropos of nothing, I’m 66, and I started recording the show nearly from the jump. The net result? I have tons of VHS tapes (and a working player!), complete with bumpers, commercials, you name it. And truth to tell, I like ’em all.

    Have there been some turds in the ice cream? You bet, which is why every 45 record had a “B” side … and if that doesn’t peg my age, nothing will. But by golly gumdrops, most of those eps made me laugh like a goober, and for a comedy show, I’d call that paydirt.

    Now get off my lawn, ya filthy hippies.

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  46. Johnny Drama: The general populous. The handful of people who post here are not those in question. I’m talking overall, in other places of the web.

    Don’t let it eat at you, you’ll end up like EricJ. Let people enjoy themselves and don’t paint them as idiots or morons because of it, that’s a rotten attitude to have. It’s how I was up to my late 20’s and it’s not a good way to live.

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  47. If I could pick another Sci-Fi Channel era MST3K that should have a wider embrace it’s Riding With Death.

    Well, I hope a year of working on season 11 and being the road with the live show produced a really good season 12. Ultimately it’s about how well the performers and writers work together.

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  48. littleaimishboy says:

    Michael Kuzmanovski:
    If I could pick another Sci-Fi Channel era MST3K that should have a wider embrace it’s Riding With Death.

    I agree. Abby’s quite a gal!

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  49. Jesse Shade says:

    SmudgyTheBootblack: Don’t let it eat at you, you’ll end up like EricJ. Let people enjoy themselves and don’t paint them as idiots or morons because of it, that’s a rotten attitude to have. It’s how I was up to my late 20’s and it’s not a good way to live.

    Well said, my friend. Living in hatred is a no-win game, though I know it’s extraordinarily hard to avoid in today’s social media landscape. Don’t let it break you, though.

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  50. touches no one's life, then leaves says:

    Is this thread dead?

    I think it’s dead.

    I really think it’s dead…

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