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Weekend Discussion Thread: Rough Draft of the Season 12 Episode Guide: 1201- Mac and Me

I will begin with only a brief personal note. Yes, I am aware this has been a long time in coming. I have been ill and my responsibilities have been enormous, crowding out other things I might rather be doing, like this. But I do want to get this done. I may not do this in six straight weeks, but I will try. In the meantime, please keep sending WDT suggestions.
Okay, off we go with :::makes gesture::: The Gauntlet.

Intro: Joel, ever the trend spotter, picks up on the “binge watching” zeitgeist and offers us fewer episodes, but shows that blend into on another and become one giant riff. Let’s begin.

Movie: (1988) In this blatant ripoff of E.T. filled with shameless product placement, a family of aliens is transported to Earth, much to the surprise of a newly arrived California family.

Open: The bots have rigged “Back Up Travel Cambot” to a pneumatic system.
Jonah, feared dead at the end of last season, is alive! And nobody cares to hear about his miraculous escape.
From Moon 13, Max and Kinga introduce the “Gautlet” concept.
In the invention exchange, The mads have created a smartness drug with terrible side effects. J&tB have created a cross between Spam and Pez, Spez.
Segment 1: Jonah tries to communicate by whistling. Max and Synthia and Crow and Tom try their best.
Segment 2: Crow and Jonah and Gypsy present a birthday party at McDonah’s. Kinga and Max try to join in.
Close: J&tB are complaining when all three are sucked up and deposited in Moon 13. The Mads need Jonah to create six more holes for film canisters.
Stinger: The alien family goes shopping.
The new normal: Two internal host segments instead of three. For the first time, Crow and Tom get sucked up in the vacuum tubes.
Thoughts:
• There’s a good deal of manhandling with Kinga and Max, but they also seem to have become a little more equal.
• When word got out that “Mac and Me” was to be riffed, I was amazed at the fan reaction. Sure, I’d suffered through it before, but I mostly remembered that it was stupid. But for a lot of MSTies, it was like they woke up on Christmas morning to the exact thing that they had asked Santa for.
• “Flush them the movie,” Kinga says. That’s new.
• This movie gave us an already-familiar catchphrase: “Pretty nice!”
• The product placement is relentless. Coke pops up early, McDonalds a little later.
• Naughty riff: Spiderman me, mom.”
• Callbacks: Watch out for snakes!” (Eegah.) McCloud!
• Whoa, slam on Jugaloes outa nowhere!
• In a strange moment, the doctor, without consulting the mom, gives Eric a bottle of sedatives.
• Eden Prairie gets a shout out.
Fave riff: “I wanna see the movie this composer THOUGHT he was scoring.” Honorable mention: “This is like a Pixar movie, in that exists and has a title.”

78 Replies to “Weekend Discussion Thread: Rough Draft of the Season 12 Episode Guide: 1201- Mac and Me”

  1. jay
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    I watched this episode one time and didn’t much care for it, but after reading some of these comments I feel compelled to watch it again and try to overcome my prejudice against all things McDonald. Open mind. Open mind.

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  2. Johnny Drama
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    I’ll keep watching, no matter how much the format changes. I just worry, we lost 5 minutes and a host segment this time, what will owe lose next? Cut to ten years from now and all we get is a fifteen minute episode every two years. I exaggerate, of course. The whole situation reminds me of when Crow’s movie was released as a trailer…

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  3. Cornjob
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    Glad to have more episodes but wow what a bunch of godawful movies starting with this one. Aside from the “movie” being a horribly derivative infomercial, Mac and his family are possibly the most eye burningly ugly creatures I can recall seeing onscreen. Terrified bug eyes, an anus-like mouth, and conspicuously nude desiccated bodies that look like they’re made out of dried excrement. There are few things I’d like to look at less than these things. Yeeuck!

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  4. Ray Dunakin
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    Cornjob:
    Glad to have more episodes but wow what a bunch of godawful movies starting with this one. Aside from the “movie” being a horribly derivative infomercial, Mac and his family are possibly the most eye burningly ugly creatures I can recall seeing onscreen. Terrified bug eyes, an anus-like mouth, and conspicuously nude desiccated bodies that look like they’re made out of dried excrement. There are few things I’d like to look at less than these things. Yeeuck!

    Apparently the producers said, “ET was ugly yet cute. We want our aliens to be even cuter, so make them as hideous as possible.”

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  5. Sillstaw
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    This is another of those rare instances where a movie mentioned in a previous episode ended up being riffed (i.e. “Marooned/Space Travelers,” “The Beast of Yucca Flats”). At the very least, it was mentioned in “Pod People” (“this is just like in ‘Mac and Me,’ when Mac came back!”).

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  6. yelling_into_the_void
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    Just out of curiosity, how far into season 1 would we be if the weekly episode discussions hadn’t gone on hiatus?

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  7. nomad
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    yelling_into_the_void:
    Just out of curiosity, how far into season 1 would we be if the weekly episode discussions hadn’t gone on hiatus?

    If we had done all of KTMA, including The Green Slime (but obviously not the missing episode 3), we’d be up to 210 by now, assuming we hadn’t taken a break for the holidays or done season 12 somewhere in there.

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  8. bartcow
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    I like it very much. I, too, was excited for Mac & Me, having only seen the Paul Rudd clips on Conan (and a couple other select scenes here and there). I thought it was pretty nice, and a strong start, even though I ended up favoring Ator a bit more when it came time to rewatch. I do wish for more episodes in Season 13, and wish they’d bring back “riffing during the credits”. I know that the more recent movies have really long ending credits, but some of my favorite bits from the old days came from those (the USA Movie titles, etc.).

    Are the new seasons just like the old ones in all the ways I’d want them to be? No. But just because McCartney II doesn’t sound like the Beatles doesn’t mean it isn’t still great on its own terms. I’m sure there’s a better analogy out there, but I’m too tired to think one up.

    And this is also your daily reminder to not feed the troll.

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  9. TorgosPizzaNJ
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    I haven’t gotten half way through “The Gauntlet” (aka “Season 12”).. I WANT to like the new episodes a lot more than I actually like them. I was a Kickstarter backer early on, but the new shows, for all of their technical cleverness, just leave me cold. We had Netflix already, so we’ll eventually watch them all, but I’m more excited watching a Bridget & Mary Jo short about the dull farm family…

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  10. The Grim Specter of Food
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    I like that Synthia gets more to do this season. It adds a different dynamic to the Mads’ interactions.

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  11. touches no one's life, then leaves
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    The Grim Specter of Food:
    I like that Synthia gets more to do this season. It adds a different dynamic to the Mads’ interactions.

    Well, IMHO the best Mads’ interaction dynamic of all was just Dr. F and Frank so anything else is doomed to come up short. That’s just me, though. ;-)

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  12. touches no one's life, then leaves
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    The Original EricJ: And while
    I remember some of the Mike-struck Sci-Fi Kidz, who thought Mike’s hip refusals to do Actual Comedy was groundbreaking and innovative ;), were looking forward to the show being revived in S8, wondered how they’d get out of Laserblast’s ending, and said (on the Usenet rec.arts group at the time) “Wouldn’t it be, like, so cool if they just started the show back on the SOL, and Mike just walked in and shrugged ‘Huh…That was weird’, and they just continued the show as usual?”

    Well, “the show as usual” would’ve entailed the presence of Dr. F and TV’s Frank — because as of Season 7, that was indeed what the show USUALLY included — so, yeah, IMHO, that would’ve been GREAT.

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  13. touches no one's life, then leaves
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    touches no one’s life, then leaves: Well, “the show as usual” would’ve entailed the presence of Dr. F and TV’s Frank — because as of Season 7, that was indeed what the show USUALLY included — so, yeah, IMHO, that would’ve been GREAT.

    AND with Trace Beaulieu as CROW! IMHO that alone would be worth turning back time. :-)

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  14. Johnny Drama
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    The Grim Specter of Food:
    I like that Synthia gets more to do this season. It adds a different dynamic to the Mads’ interactions.

    Synthia is fine and well, but why not just get Mary Jo?

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  15. Johnny Drama
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    Joe Bob was renewed for season 2 today, less than a year since his show came back. In that time they’ve had three marathons and one season. Something like 36 movies hosted in under a year. Meanwhile in MST3K land…….

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  16. The Original EricJ
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    touches no one’s life, then leaves: Well, “the show as usual” would’ve entailed the presence of Dr. F and TV’s Frank — because as of Season 7, that was indeed what the show USUALLY included — so, yeah, IMHO, that would’ve been GREAT.

    I remember saying at the time, it would have been interesting to scrap Pearl “Clayyy-ton!” Forrester completely after S7, and start S8 fresh with Exeter and Brak from The Movie now overseeing the experiments–
    One of the Info crew liked it too, but the Brains couldn’t take unsolicited suggestions.

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  17. nomad
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    The Original EricJ: I remember saying at the time, it would have been interesting to scrap Pearl “Clayyy-ton!” Forrester completely after S7, and start S8 fresh with Exeter and Brak from The Movie now overseeing the experiments–
    One of the Info crew liked it too, but the Brains couldn’t take unsolicited suggestions.

    …nor could they use copyrighted characters like Exeter and Brack without paying royaltie$.

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  18. touches no one's life, then leaves
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    nomad: …nor could they use copyrighted characters like Exeter and Brack without paying royaltie$.

    Well, fair’s fair, the fact that they could use Torgo, Ortega, and others at what seemed to be whims (were they paying the Hal Warren and Ray Dennis Steckler estates royalties? I’m politely dubious) implies that it’s not as cut and dry as all that. But whatever.

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  19. Torgover
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    Well, Hal Warren never copyrighted Manos, so Manos and Torgo are both public domain. Incredibly Strange Creatures lapsed into public domain, too. So, no royalties needed.

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  20. majorjoe23
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    Torgover:
    Well, Hal Warren never copyrighted Manos, so Manos and Torgo are both public domain. Incredibly Strange Creatures lapsed into public domain, too. So, no royalties needed.

    Plus, MST3K could get away with ocassional uses under fair use by calling it parody. But new recurring characters would be a central part of the show and marketing, and Universal would have come down hard on the Brains. It’s like SNL. They can have a skit about Superman and it’s fine. But if they have Superman as a recurring character and showing up every week, Warner would have their lawyers get in touch.

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  21. Joseph Klemm
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    Dan in WI:
    May I make a suggestion? At this point we are just a couple weeks away from the crowdfunding supporters getting their Blu-Rays and DVDs. For us non Netflix people who are waiting for this release, why not postpone this guide a couple more weeks until we have our hands on our copies so we can play along?

    Somewhat agree here, as I had just watched Mac & Me today, and I’m gonna have to cram Atlantic Rim somewhere in my schedule tomorrow in order to catch up with the Episode Guides.

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  22. GR Robertson
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    I enjoyed it. Worried that some of the reaction is getting negative. Reminds me of when Star Trek The Next Generation came out and it drove a chasm through Trek fandom, some of it quite spiteful. I recently saw some of the KTMA shows for the first time and the show has evolved and come a long way since then, for better or worse.

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  23. Megalon
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    GR Robertson:
    I enjoyed it.Worried that some of the reaction is getting negative.

    Season 11 seemed to be much more polarizing; I remember a lot of fighting and hurt feelings in those threads. Which is only natural, since the show was going through one of its biggest upheavals ever. Now the dust has settled, and we’re basically left with a community of people who actually like the new show, rather than a community split between fans and haters.

    That’s nice, but also worrying, because while the biggest haters appear to have jumped ship, there hasn’t been a corresponding influx of new fans. If anything, the MST3k Reboot community seems to have shrunk since the debut of the show. That’s not a good sign for the show’s future.

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  24. thequietman
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    Notice they don’t show the McDonald’s sign… ’cause that would be crass.

    I’m a little late to the party, but my backer-edition Blu-Ray arrived today and I’m finally able to join in. Some very interesting analysis here, and I can sympathize with those who find this incarnation of the show just too far removed from what came before. For me however, I’m still grateful that this got off the ground in the first place, let alone kept going. I don’t know what’s going to come next; the show might change further or just run out of steam like it did back in 1999. Either way, I’m still finding laughter and enjoyment in what we have.

    As for this episode in particular, I wasn’t expecting the dropping of a host segment, but given that the host segments are often the places where the show can lay an egg I can see where this decision can allow the performers to always bring their best material. I’d heard of this infamous movie prior to it being announced for the show so while I’m glad to have finally seen it I suppose I was just not in the right place to be as shocked by it as others.

    Fave riffs:
    “All I did was take a shower and drink a coke…”
    At the same time??

    Are those crickets in the movie or my mind?

    I can’t tell if this is a really bad movie or a really good minature golf course.

    He’s like a Teddy Ruxpin with the face ripped off.

    ATTICA ATTI-oh, it’s open…

    When visiting Bakersfield, California… reconsider.

    “What do you think?”
    I don’t.

    Must resist urge to join in youthful revelry…

    Bruce Campbell IS Mel Gibson IN ‘The G. Gordon Liddy Story’

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  25. Dan in WI
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    Let’s start with the very good. Despite the further changes the show has undergone, one of my most favorite things has survived. The “Turn Down Your Lights (where applicable)” is still there!
    I really liked the introduction Kinga and Max do for the Gauntlet. I’ve said many times last season that Patton totally channels Frank Conniff. Where here I thought that Felicia and Patton both channel the Frank and Trace chemistry in the way they cut each other off. It was fun.
    We have a real good invention exchange here. Algernon is just loaded with everything riffable about any drug advertised on TV these days. But they saved the best for last. Synthia “Algernon made me so smart it that I realized it’s dangerous and I should stop taking it.” This gave me flashbacks the SNL classic parody commercial “Happy Fun Ball.” On the other side Crow is not too far off in calling Pez “nature’s perfect food delivery system.” They move quick but hit all the high points of both products. A good invention exchange indeed.
    I was not happy to see “nightmare fueled world” tag added to the movie intro. It’s funny once. But this should be mixed up a bit.
    Sometimes it’s the little things. During the first host segment, I noticed the English to Alien Phrase Book was brought you to you by your local Coke bottlers.
    Finally, on a personal note this episode seems to have my name all over it. Yes, this is the one where my name is listed in the credit Revival League list. But the movie itself (bad as it is) has a couple elements that really hit home for. My preference in the Coke vs. Pepsi war is firmly on the Coke side so there is that. It does go deeper than that though. I have a very soft spot in my heart for McDonalds. In my young days I worked there 5.5 years. I worked primarily the closing shifts. (Most McDonald’s actually closed at night in those days.) I also made some really good friends at that job. After the high-level managers went home, we had more fun at McDonald’s than you ever should on those closing shifts. I don’t recall having breakdancing football players at the birthday parties though. Finally, my wife is a Hmong immigrant who came over at a very young age. Three years ago, she finally obtained her citizenship. So, the naturalization scene of this movie gave me the warm fuzzies. It’s inspiring to seem someone do that. So yes, this film was personally nostalgic. This is the first episode that hit me in that way.

    Favorite Riffs:
    The mother tucks Eric in bed and pulls out a baseball bat he has under the covers with him. Jonah “Eric put this away. I told you the Tooth Fairy is not real.”
    As Eric sneaks through the house the Bots sing “The Bears” to the tune of the Pink Panther Theme.
    Eric sucks Mac up with a vacuum cleaner. Crow: “Eric knows this will work because he saw the beginning of the movie.”
    Mac’s family wave their magic hands over the lifeless Eric. Crow: “I should point out this doesn’t bring him back to life. We’re just preparing him for his burial. Sorry if you misunderstood. It happens a lot.”

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  26. Danzilla "Cornjob" McLargeHuge, Student of Kaijuology
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    I’m a bit late on this one, but here goes!

    Like so many MSTies during last Thanksgiving, I plopped down on the couch and – in the presence of a very understanding family – subjected myself to *hand gesture* THE GAUNTLET. Having enjoyed Season 11 (and REALLY enjoyed the live tour later that year), I was excited to see how those experiences would combine with a less restrictive shooting schedule, familiarity with the formula, and the binge-watching concept in Season 12. Plus, the lineup of cheesy ripoff films (starting with cult favorite Mac & Me) was definitely appealing, and the smaller number of episodes never bothered me. All in all, I was pumped!

    And only a few minutes into the movie, I was smiling ear-to-ear.

    In my opinion, Season 12 starts out strong, and this episode is tied, interestingly enough, with Ator (the last episode of the season) as my favorite experiment in The Gauntlet. The decreased riffing pace, a more relaxed delivery in the theater, and an overall feeling of comfort from the performers does wonders for the show, and it’s a feeling that continues through the season. At the end of the day, I can honestly say that MST3K gave Mac & Me the riffing its long deserved.

    In other words, it’s (and you knew this was coming)… pretty niiiice!

    Some thoughts:

    -The opening segment gives us our introduction to Travel Cambot, who foreshadows the finale’s live show setup. Also, while I’ll really need to focus in on the rest of the body to identify all the parts, I’m fairly certain his “flaps” (for lack of a better term) are paint roller trays.

    -Let’s be honest here… were we, as longtime MSTies, expecting to actually get an explanation for Jonah’s survival? Season 11’s elaborate ending definitely left fans wondering just how the sam scratch our bejumpsuited fool could have POSSIBLY made it out of that situation alive. The cliffhanger worked; it got us talking, wondering, and having fun with possible explanations. The decision to not provide an answer is the very definition of “it’s a show, you should really just relax”. In other words, it’s a very MST thing to do.

    But now I’ll always wonder.

    -Man, there’s a lot happening in the opening! The chaos in the background of Moon 13 is a nice touch. The idea of binge-making the show – and the technical necessities of such a feat – are well communicated through the environment, and give this episode a feeling unlike any previous episode in the series. It’s essentially a prologue to one, really long movie. It’s definitely different, but it works.

    -The intro also gives us our first look at Ardy’s new suit. Joel returns to do the voice, but, as in the last season, that’s not him under the new helmet. We get to see plenty of Ardy this season!

    -Kinga’s line “I’ve moved on. We all have.” made me think of Pearl’s final line in Diabolik. Coincidence, I’m sure, but it’s just something I noticed.

    -Kinga & Max’s invention exchange finally explains the dramatic shift in Synthia’s character between Season 11 and the comics/live shows. Algernon is, of course, a reference to “Flowers for Algernon”, one of the saddest short stories you’ll ever read.

    -There’s something deeply unsettling about Spez. Maybe it’s the splat sound it makes when it bounces off the table. Also, it’s nice to see Tom’s classic arms back again!

    -Right away, the riffing pace is a breath of fresh air. While the rapid fire delivery of Season 11 didn’t bother me during my initial viewings, I have to admit it’s made returning to some of those episodes a bit challenging. The 2017 live tour really showed that this team is capable of delivering hysterical, crowd pleasing material in a way that doesn’t feel cluttered and overstuffed. My greatest hope for this season was they they would take what was learned from the tour and apply it to the writing for the new episodes. And, by and large, they accomplished this in spades.

    -When Gypsy delivers the still mysterious “payload”, none other than my man M. Waverly (a character to whom I devoted more time and money into researching/reconstructing than I’m proud to admit) is riding with her. Taking a note from Jonah, his resurrection is never explained. Growler pops up, too! The new bots will become regular guests in the theater this season.

    -Say what you will about this ridiculous movie, there’s something eerily effective about the aliens. Their unnatural body proportions and movements are convincingly un-human, and the long shots of the family walking through the desert are simultaneously haunting and cheesy. Weird how that works.

    -Instant catchphrase: Pretty niiiiice! It’s almost tailor made for these guys to latch onto.

    -“Spiderman me, mom!” Eww.

    -Segment 1 (one of only two we get per episode this season) is cute, and just the right length. I wonder who that is whistling?

    -So many uses of the term “little creature”, yet no callbacks to “Boggy Creek”. Not surprising, but something worth noting nonetheless.

    -“Swing and a miss” becomes a recurring riff this season. Not sure why, but it pops up once in almost every episode. This time around, it’s after an awkward encounter between the teenage siblings.

    -How the heck did Eric know a vacuum would work?

    -So much has been said over the years about the INSANE McDonalds sequence, I feel I have very little to add. I will, however, say that J&TB’s bit about how only Tom can see the clown is a hoot.

    -Segment 2 feels a bit more like something from Season 11, right down to its brevity. That said, it’s pretty funny, with Jonah’s disturbing commitment to the role of clown Jonah McDonah being the highlight.

    -Lots of attention is called to the whimsical “Spielberg-y” music, with the guys even singing the “Back to the Future” theme over one section of score. The similarities aren’t a coincidence: somehow, someway, this film landed master composer Alan Silvestri, composer for the BTTF trilogy, and probably best known today for his work on the Avengers films. Wow.

    -I wonder how many “overly possessive fanboys” were genuinely offended by that Star Wars joke…

    -Nice shoutout to Eden Prairie! A little something for the longtime fans.

    -As it turns out, my mother is a trained Reiki practitioner! She got a huge kick out of that joke.

    -One pun too many, and Tom gets his dome ripped off. Nice to see Jonah still not above maiming the Bots for comedic effect.

    -When Gypsy retrieves the payload, Waverly appears and rides up with her. Was he in the theater the whole time? What was he doing during the movie? How does he eat and breath and other science facts?

    -Perhaps fortunately, the MAC family broke their promise to “be back”.

    -The closing segment sets up a running plot line in Season 12, and involves tubes removing Tom and Crow (who does a fantastic Howie Scream) from the SOL for the first time. J&TB end up spending a lot of time in Moon 13 this season, all leading up to a shocking finale…

    -I have to admit, part of me was hoping that new instrumental versions of classic MST3K tunes would appear this season, but I’m happy the songs from last year continue to make appearances in the new episodes, especially considering the faux commercial bumpers were removed this time around. Still, I continue to wonder what new versions of “The Canada Song” or “Let Me be Frank About Frank” would sound like…

    -Callbacks: “Watch out for snakes!”, a double reference: “Paul! Jim!” (Cry Wilderness), “Chief? McCloud!” (Pod People).

    -Classic Bits: “Jim Henson’s The Shining Babies”, “Yoda tracks, two, three days old”, some Cryptkeeper impressions, “Attica!”, “Saaaay…”

    Favorite Riff: “I wanna see the movie this composer THOUGHT he was scoring.” Honorable Mentions: *as MAC floats* “Dead.”; “Mysterious Alien Creature Sittin’ in a tree, M-A-C-Am-per-sand-Me!”

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  27. touches no one's life, then leaves
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    Danzilla “Cornjob” McLargeHuge, Student of Kaijuology:

    -Classic Bits: “Jim Henson’s The Shining Babies”

    Not to be confused with The Shining Girls…

    https://www.amazon.com/Shining-Girls-Novel-Lauren-Beukes/dp/0316216860/ref=pd_ybh_a_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=20EDY5NGZ60B3RRAS3V3

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  28. Johnny Drama
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    Upon rewatching this impossible strange episode, I realized that it does kind of fit in the MST3K canon, although loosely. (You would think this was more of a Rifftrax selection, but even they never touched it in all these years. That doesn’t mean they wouldn’t have, though).
    Mac And Me is Gamera. The kid is in constant peril, with no consequence as the world burns around him. Then I remembered that this is an E.T. ripoff. So, E.T. is, is some way, Gamera.

    I was going over the years of “we don’t do Plan 9 on MST3k because it’s low hanging fruit,” and I was applying that logic to the selection of Mac And Me. But once I realized it’s the closest movie in tone to the original Gamera they ever riffed, I accepted it being on the show a little more. I’m sure having rewatched Gamera (302) earlier this evening helped.

    I’m trying to remember to accept this group of differs as it’s own thing. But since they are trying to be the old thing, it makes it somewhat difficult. I still enjoy the new episodes, however. I hope that they stop with the homage paying to itself in Season 13. I’d like to see this new incarnation grow on it’s own, not relying so much on “Idiot Control Now” call backs. I said it before, I’ll say it again: we already know why we love the show. We tune in for new additions to the show. I love call backs in the riffs, but in the host segments it feels odd.

    The hosts segments. Still strong, but only two per show now. And they chop the credits right off. Wow. Those were some of the best bits, the credit riffs.
    Now, I love MST3K and Rifftrax. I love the differences in the formats. I go to different ones at different times depending on how I want the format delivered. So when MST3K loses a host segment and all it’s commercial bumpers, it drifts closer to Rifftrax. And I don’t necessarily want that. I don’t overly mind it, but it just doesn’t make sense to me. No matter how many times it’s explained to me in different ways about how it’s meant to appeal towards a new watcher. That’s weird to me. It’s just like chopping off the credits. We’ve sat through almost 90 minutes, and they think we’re not going to sit through a few minutes more, even though we can see J&TB are still in the theater and riffing away? That’s strange robotic marketing approaches I never thought we’d deal with as fans of our retired cowtown puppet show. It’s oddly fascinating watching this all play out. The future.

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