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Episode guide: 210- King Dinosaur (with short: “X Marks The Spot” )

Short: (1944) Careless driver Joe Doakes finds himself in a heavenly courtroom, on trial for his vehicular misdeeds. His guardian angel is his only defense.
Movie: (1955) Two scientist couples are sent to investigate a mysterious new planet and are menaced by snakes, gators, giant bugs and other scary process shots.

First shown: 12/22/90
Opening: Joel reads some beat poetry
Invention exchange: A crushed Dr. F. declares that he, “the pocket scientist,” is his invention; Joel’s accidental invention is the “incredibly stinky sweat socks.”
Host segment 1: Crow asks “Am I qualified?”
Host segment 2: J&tB introduce Joey the lemur
Host segment 3: Joel objects to the “Emotional Scientist” sketch
End: Crow and Tom complain about all the Lippert’s movies, Joel shows off his theramin, Tom reads a letter.
Stinger: Gator wrestling aftermath
1 Star2 Stars3 Stars4 Stars5 Stars (96 votes, average: 4.29 out of 5)

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• I want to begin by saying that I disavow all previous instances in which I described Joel’s goatee as “cheesy” and I maintain that a crazy person broke into my house when I wasn’t home and added the word to “cheesy” to my descriptions of Joel’s goatee, which at all times is manly and dignified. Now, on to business.
• This is a fun episode. Between the short, the goofy Lippert movie, Joey the lemur (he wasn’t a lemur) solid riffing and a some memorable host segments, there’s plenty to enjoy.
• Joel’s entirely dignified and not at all cheesy goatee is gone–but Crow and Tom are wearing them in the opening bit. He is still wearing the pastel green jumpsuit from last week.
• Does anyone know whose poem Joel is reading in the opening? Google is silent.
• Sir Goofus von Drakesnot is a funny name.
• In the opening Dr. F. is seen working on an elevator. It would reappear a few other times.
• I think we’ve talked about this before, but I want to broach this again in hopes that we can get some sort of definitive answer concerning the “hat party” riffs, including the line “mine is/was/will be the grandest of all.” I STILL have not heard a confirmed explanation as to what that is a reference to.
• Neither the “pocket scientist” nor the “incredibly stinky sweat socks” are actual inventions, but the former is a very nice illusion and the latter is a pretty funny prop. So I will let them slide. Smile
• With this episode we get our first real short, and it’s clear immediately that this works much better for the show than the serials they’d been using.
• Fave riff from the short: “He said a silent prayer to Bongo, the god of gravity.”
• Crow’s inspirational speech in segment 1, including the brilliant, immortal words “Crush someone with an emotional word or an enigmatic look,” is one of the funniest segments of the season.
• J&tB and The Mads make a big deal about this being another movie by executive producer Robert Lippert, but they fail to notice a bigger menace–this is the first of EIGHT movies directed by Bert I. Gordon (he directed more MSTed movies than anybody else). We’ll hear narrator Marvin Miller again in episode 422- THE DAY THE EARTH FROZE and 902-THE PHANTOM PLANET. Writer-producer Al Zimbalist also produced “Robot Monster. Cinematographer Gordon Avil did sound direction for “Robot Monster.” Editors John Bushelman and Jack Cornall also worked on “Village of the Giants. Special effects guy Howard A. Anderson also worked on “Women of the Prehistoric Planet,” “12 to the Moon,” “The Amazing Transparent Man” and “It Lives By Night. Sound supervisor Rod Sutton also worked on “It Lives By Night,” “Hangar 18 and “Slime People. Score composer Mischa Terr also worked on “The Unearthly,” “Bloodlust,” “The Violent Years” and “The Sinister Urge.”
• Daddy-O reports: Yes, the gecko-Roman wrestling is the same footage from “One Million B.C.” we’ve seen before. Also, Bronson Canyon was used for some exterior shots as was done in many other MSTed movies.
• “I’m a pan-dimensional being” is a “Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy” reference.
• One of the highlights of this episode is the series of riffs in which Joel, in a gravelly voice, says “Hi, I’m Satan!” every time a snake appears. As these bits go on wander into a whole Kraft cheese thing, climaxing with Tom offering a very strange recipe as announcer Ed Herlihy.
• Segment two is, of course, the infamous “Joey the lemur” bit. Now, I like the “handmade” look of the show as much as the next guy, but what the heck is going on with Joel? Was this planned? Did he just go off script for the heck of it? I have no idea what he’s saying half the time. In episode 611- LAST OF THE WILD HORSES they do a very funny parody of this bit, implying that even they were baffled by it.
• Segment two is also out of order. The lemur hasn’t appeared in the movie yet. But it does seem like they are aware of it: Joel sort of backfills as they re-enter the theater.
• “The owl footage is not what it seems” is a “Twin Peaks” reference.
• Over the years, many fans have noted that the “lemur” in this movie is actually a kinkajou.
• Segment three is sort of another “we’re trying to do a sketch but it’s not going well” sketch. Kind of “meta.”
• The closing bit is also a bit “meta.” It’s only been a few episodes since Joel did a presentation using the “series of sketches” and/or a musical tribute. They’re already they’re making fun of it?
• Also the letter that Tom reads is notable–it’s, I think, the only time anybody on the show uttered the phrase “host segment.” Joel pretends not to know what they are (though they’re mentioned in the credits).
• Credits stuff: This Week’s Creative Pit Boss: Trace Beaulieu. Intern Nathan Molstad is playing Jerry the mole person. Additional music: Kevin Murphy, Michael J. Nelson.
• Favorite riff: “I’m Chirpy the mutant hellbeast, and I don’t like this film.” Honorable mention: “Relax?! There’s a bee the size of a moose over there and you want him to relax??”

67 comments to Episode guide: 210- King Dinosaur (with short: “X Marks The Spot” )

  • 1
    Dan in WI says:

    Joel and Tom leave the theater early with Crow all alone for the very end of the short.

    I love the way they react to the third Lippert film of the season. Sure later on we’d learn to fear the names Corman, Francis and Frank, but in season one it was Lippert. Plus Bert I. Gordon is also a part of this film.

    So that was the Joey the Lemur sketch. (First time I saw it.) It was rather average for the amount of legend it has taken on. But I’ll say this. The way Joel works that puppet I’m glad other people such as Kevin and Trace are working the bots! That was just weird.

    The bickering about callbacks in the theater is a cute little meta sort of thing. By the way is this the invention of the word callback?

    For my money this is the weakest of the Lippert films. The film itself is weak and the riffing is only fair.

    Favorite Riffs:
    Judge “You were born in New Jersey huh?” Tom “I thought I smelled something.”

    Guardian “Joe had two kids of his own at that school.” Crow “Yeah and if his wife ever found out.”

    Strapping on backpack: Crow “That’s quite a package.”

    Tom “They’re making pretty good time considering this is a Lippert film.”

    Joel as gator “Hi. I couldn’t help noticing your suitcase and your shoes.”

    Tom: “I think this film on the lake is better than the film we’re watching.”

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  • 2
    Sharktopus says:

    Some stray observations in no partcular order:

    Hooray for educational shorts! Y’know, I’m not surprised that even in the ’40s New Jersey was full of dangerously incompetent drivers. Grin

    Crow and Tom just happen to be sporting goatees when Joel’s shaved his off? Hmm…

    “Almost as soon as this show aired, fans were online talking about how the “lemur” is actually a kinkajou.” I don’t think I had ever even heard of the internet in 1990. I’m imagining the computer equivalent of two soup cans conected by a string. As they enter the theater after the (excrutiating) Joey the Lemur bit, Joel claims that he read about it in the film guide. We know that the Brains did in fact consult that practically Stone Age resource – maybe a film guide is responsible for misidentifying the kinkajou. Even in those days before Animal Planet, I want to believe at least one of the Brains would’ve known it wasn’t a lemur.

    Can someone identify the types of lizards featured on the island? I’m having trouble sorting out the scale, pardon the pun. There was an iguana wrestling an alligator (or possibly a caiman?), and then a gila monster, or maybe a bearded lizard, I think? I tried to focus on figuring that out rather than think about how they made the poor reptiles kill each other to make a crappy movie.

    Speaking of filmic crappiness, this isn’t the worst movie MST3k ever did, but it gets my vote for stupidest. No plot, dumb characters, bad science, just plain rock stupid all around. I love it. Smile

    Is it just me, or do the opening segments feel especially loose and off-the-cuff? In fact, this whole episode has a light and breezy feel, in spite of the tedious movie. Maybe it’s just the sea change from last week’s oppressive, stultifying Hellcats, but knowing that the Brains had just come back from a meeting with the Comedy Central execs, I get the feeling that maybe they’d just gotten word that the show was being renewed with a long-term contract. Maybe I’m thinking too much. One thing I’m sure of – I enjoy King Dinosaur about as much as much as I dislike The Hellcats, despite what I consider to be some especially weak host segments.

    Intern Jason Molstad in the part he was born to play, Jerry the Moleman. Once again, villians is misspelled in the credits. If you’re going to call attention with gag credits, at least double check the spelling.

    It’s difficult to imagine the writer’s room brainstorming that led from serpent/satan references to Kraft Foods, unless I’m missing some connection. And was that python growling? Oh, Bert I. Gordon, where would this show be without you?

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  • 3
    Sampo says:

    Sharktopus: Good point on the internet thing. I think I’m remembering a response to a rerun. I’ve changed the line.

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  • 4
    Stephen says:

    Crow’s “Am I Qualified?” speech is one of my favorite MST moments ever.

    For years my wife and I have been using “Joe Doakes” as a verb, meaning to cross an intersection diagonally, e.g., “There are no cars coming. Let’s Joe Doakes it.” It’s a very handy phrase.

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  • 5
    I'm not a medium, I'm a petite says:

    Put half a hot dog in your mouth, smear ketchup around your mouth, then spit out the hot dog screaming my tongue my tongue.

    Oh my I have been away from this one for too long. Sure we’ve been able to Meet Joe Dokes in the shorts compilation but I haven’t seen King Dino since broadcast, and there were parts I didn’t remember. So it was almost a new one to me when I watched the DAP earlier this week.

    This is a good episode. The replacement of the serials with short subjects is brilliant, and this one is plenty goofy ( what are those little fins on the top of the guardian angel’s mortarboard ? ) Plenty for our heroes to work with. The riffing on King Dino is down right manic at some points, and with cause, what a messed up movie.

    The Crow Monologue was OK, the ‘invention’ exchange was clearly slapped together, but fun enough I guess. Joey the Lemur. & The Scientist Sketch. I just don’t know.

    But despite my feeling that the host segs were weakish, I will give 4 stars for the first proper short and the hot dog gag, which had me in tears.

    I need some more of that medicine ( BLORT! )

    ( Sampo and Sharktopus: are you guys saying there was no internet in 1990 ? )

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  • 6
    Dan in WI says:

    Petite> I don’t think anybody is saying there was NO internet in 1990. It was just still a few years away from being in the hands of the masses at that point.

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  • 7
    Sampo says:

    I’m not a medium: No, just that there was little or no online MST3K fandom at that time. The first MST3K newsgroups were created in ’92, and the Prodigy message board was happening then too (maybe even as early as ’91), but I don’t think there was much of anything going on in ’90.

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  • 8
    Thomas K. Dye says:

    Short: One heck of a defense counsel, he seems to be trying very hard to get his client fried. Even when the client does something right, Mr. Former Boxer Angel takes all the credit for it.

    Joe Doakes is a very common character of the forties. The most common version was played by Robert Benchley:

    http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0040207/

    In each short Joe Doakes has to face some sort of sociological or some kind of technological terror.

    Re the movie: I think my favorite scene (and the one that should have been the stinger) is the idiot woman scientist ripping up the photograph of the giant lizard, saying “NO ONE WILL BELIEVE US ANYWAY!!” How did these people even put on their clothes in the morning?

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  • 9
    I'm not a medium, I'm a petite says:

    6 & 7. OK OK guys, that’s cool. just checking, thx.

    As for the poem, I have a strong feeling that it was written by Joel himself, or by someone else on staff or related to staff, it’s a ‘personal’ poem.

    But this is strictly a guess.

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  • 10
    Joseph Nebus says:

    I think it’s worth noting that at the time of X Marks The Spot‘s production, New Jersey had really pretty stiff auto inspection laws, to the point that pretty much nobody passed the first time through, and the inspections were every six months. These days they’ve gone to five years for new car purchases and biennial inspections thereafter, a sure sign of moral decay if I ever heard of it. I understand there are some banana republic states that don’t have any inspections, or any worth the name.

    “Joe Doakes” is a curious name, particularly to me, as Robert Benchley used it as his character name for a number of How To… shorts, and George O’Hanlon (the voice of George Jetson) made his famous series of Joe McDoakes So You Want To… shorts as well. Obviously there’s some kind of “John Doe” quality to the name, at least for a 1930s movie-colony purposes, and I’m curious how it got to X Marks The Spot. I’m a little disappointed The Brains didn’t pick up on the link, but given how in 1990-91 old shorts were watchable only by a concerted and substantial effort and holding the MGM Archive Librarian at gunpoint I can’t blame them for it.

    X Marks The Spot is a difficult short to watch with my father, because he remembers every single filming location except the Court of Traffic Heaven from his childhood and has anecdotes for every one of them.

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  • 11
    Dark Grandma of Death says:

    “Hey, look, it’s Woodstock! Three days of peace, love and stock footage!”

    What kind of scientists are these? There are the hysterical women who are always screaming, one of whom goes into a rage and tears up the photo of the giant lizard. There’s the cavalier way they pick up poor Joe (who I guess is left on the island to die). And then they go to explore, imperil themselves, and end up nuking the island, even though they escaped! Good one, guys!

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  • 12
    touches no one's life, then leaves says:

    As also seen in “Once Upon a Honeymoon” and other shorts, Heaven certainly does a lot of micromanagement. Infinite resources, I guess.

    Anyone else wonder how a GHOST could feel exhaustion, let alone to the extent that he needed to close his eyes? Theologies vary, of course. Wink

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  • 13
    Fred Burroughs says:

    This movie has the distinction of probably being the space-travel film with the least actual space-travel science in it. The astronauts are two swingin’ couples, that’s convenient, and after a few tests with a reel-to-reel, they just walk around a forest in their shorts. I do like their bomb, though.

    The thing I most remember about this movie is our male lead, and how many times he manhandles the women, He pushes them out of the way, yells at them, pulls them by the arm. (They are panicky and weeping, after all…wait, so are the men.) He’s ostensibly doing this for their own safety, but several times you see the poor actress bang her head on a rock or fall down bruised. I can’t help but wonder when I am watching if the director told him ‘Push her harder!’ or if this actor was just an inexplicably violent person all the time.

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  • 14
    Joseph Nebus says:

    The “collapsed sketches” they do this season struck me as an interesting phenomenon because, to turn the conversation back to myself where it must invariably belong, when I started writing MST3K fan fiction (in the last days of Comedy Central/early Sci-Fi runs, and so just hadn’t seen seasons 1 through 3, and not much of 4), I ran into a similar phenomenon.

    That is, after the first couple rounds of MiSTings, I started finding that I might have a decent starting point for a sketch and some idea what the characters might say, but not the faintest idea where an ending would go. (Endings are agonizingly hard things to find.) And it started looking awfully tempting to have the characters just throw up their hands and admit, they haven’t got anywhere to go with this and the premise is ridiculous and oh, look, it’s commercial sign. Used sparingly, it’s a good comic approach: from the length of the sketch the audience knows there has to be an ending sometime soon, and breaking the sketch has some surprise and shock value. For example, Hired: The Musical has a “we ran out of time” ending, but you’d never notice.

    This is hard to resist in almost any medium; see every single Saturday Night Live sketch that consists of the person being impersonated coming on-stage to meet the person impersonating them, which had an actual joke when it was Dana Carvey playing Dennis Miller and not before or since. But MST3K is probably really prone to this self-collapsing stunt since woven into the show’s genetic code is the idea of “we can’t believe the stuff we see on-screen, so here’s some jokes about it”, and making jokes about the jokes you’re making is a natural extension of it.

    In my experience, I grew less satisfied with these sketch-breaker endings because they felt too repetitive, and fussing over a premise until I found something with an ending turned out to pay off. I suspect, purely on my own imagination and the self-flattering illusion that I have any idea what writing for the show was like from my silly impersonation of it, that the Brains went through a similar evolution in these self-breaking sketches and then being more careful and judicious about breaking a sketch.

    For example, Crow’s “I’m A Velarian” sketch in Space Mutiny is even more a collapsed sketch than The Emotional Scientist, but it’s got so much substance to it that it doesn’t feel like the many collapsed sketches of season two.

    So, perhaps, perhaps, if my experience is not ridiculously misleading, that’s how we got so many collapsed sketches this season and not so many, or at least it didn’t feel like so many, later on.

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  • 15
    Brandon says:

    Sampo, hasn’t the term “Host Segment” been being used in the credits this whole time, as in “Host Segments directed by”?

    210- King Dinosaur, with short X Marks the Spot.

    Host Segments:
    Opening: Joel does beat poetry.
    Invention Exchange: Pocket Scientist; Sweaty Socks.
    Segment 1: Crow wonders if he’s qualified to judge other drivers.
    Segment 2: J&TB sing about Joey the Lemur
    Segment 3: “Emotional Scientist”.
    Ending: Explaining Lippert. Dr. F and frank go to a festival.
    Stinger: Guy falls down.

    Memorable riffs from Short:
    Servo: “Arthur Magee and Molly!”

    Servo: “That’s Mick Jagger’s cloud, stay off of it.”

    Joel: “God has kind of a crummy office.”
    Crow: “That’s because all the decorators are in hell.”

    Guardian Angel: “The hardest part about Joe was his speeding.”
    Servo: “Yeah, he was worse than Corey Feldman or Corey Haim.”

    Judge: “15 years…”
    Crow: “On a dead man’s chest.”

    Crow: “Oh, I wish I were dead… oh I am.”

    Memorable riffs from Movie:
    Servo: “Oh, so the announcer’s calling the shots now?”

    Servo: “Then, German airshows are performed. Hundreds are killed.”

    (woman holds chemical)
    Servo: “Drink it! Drink it!”

    Joel: “A new pope is selected. It’s cooky.”

    Crow: “Who brought the sandwiches?”
    Servo: “Sandwiches?”

    Woman: “That island…”
    Joel: “I hate it, it’s taunting me!”

    Woman: “What is it?”
    Crow: “IT’S AN IGUANA!!!”

    Fav. riff from Short:
    Joel: “Oh great, we’re stuck in space, and still have to do jury duty.”

    Fav. riff from Movie:
    *aligator approaches iguana*
    Joel: “They’re gonna fight over who tastes more like chicken.”

    Comments:
    -Uhh… Deep 13 has an elevator?

    -The Brains seem to really be slacking off in terms of inventions. In fact I’ve noticed a lot of Season 2 Invention Exchange segments seem to have these little “shortcuts”.

    -When Joel and Servo ditch Crow in the theater, Servo’s control rod under his hoverskirt can be seen.

    -I don’t think Joel was really “stoned” during the Lemur sketch, as others may claim, but I think he really had way too much coffee before shooting.

    -Joel continues the “snake/Satan” riffs that he started in Jungle Goddess

    -Funny that Joel refuses to do the “Emotional Scientist” bit, but he was willing to make an ass of himself with the Lemur bit.

    Best Segment: None of the segments are that good. But the Joey the Lemur sketch stands out the most, just for it’s sheer “WTF” status. Perhaps the segment wouldn’t have seemed so random, if the Brains had shot it as “Segment 3″, after the lemur/kinkajou actually appears in the film.
    Worst Segment: Hard to say, again because all the segments are bombs. I think I’ll just pick the closing segment. Although this is a great episode, the closing segment ends it on a low note.

    Overall: This is an episode, where only the theater segments make it a gem. Most of the segments are fast-forward moments. **1/2 stars. Marginally better than the previous episode… ACCORDING to Xerxes the Cat.

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    Mr. B(ob) says:

    Oh, another great outing thanks to Robert Lippert with a little help from Mr. B.I.G. Fantastic episode.

    Short may be a misnomer for this short, it is a bit long for a short and somewhat tedious in spots, but the goofy plot and acting plus the great riffs still make for enjoyable viewing.

    One of my all-time favorite moments from the film is the flat faced fall and long tumble the guy who fights with the alligator takes. Seriously, it looks like it was meant to be funny it’s just so ridiculous visually. The endless shrieking of his female companion throughout the alligator wrestling makes it even funnier.

    I love the Joey the Lemur sketch and it’s a favorite around here with my family. The free-wheeling improv nature of some of the lines and their delivery makes it especially humorous. We love Joel’s meandering comments, but one of the favorite lines from the sketch belongs to Crow: “Joey the lemur, the kind of animal that would go to the bathroom anywhere.”

    “Relax?! There’s a bee the size of a moose over there and you want him to relax?” is also one of my favorite lines from this show. Also, “thanks for annihilating everything I know” and “what a stupid, pretentious, line”.

    The scientists do very little science on the interplanetary expedition. They complain a lot, reinforce stereotypes about women, make a lot of kissy face and then needlessly use a nuclear weapon on the planet’s wildlife for absolutely no good reason. It’s a gut-buster every time I see the female scientist tear up the photo of the “T-Rex”, their only scientific proof they saw the thing. What a startling vision of scientific “progress”.

    5 stars all the way for me. I find this episode hilarious pretty much from start to finish.

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  • 17
    Sampo says:

    Brandon–DOH! You are correct. I’ve rewritten the item.

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  • 18
    Fred Burroughs says:

    Thanks for the reminder about the “selecting the pope” quip! First time I saw this I didn’t notice, but after Rome did select a new pope, not being Catholic, I saw the black smoke released from the Vatican that signifies the election; and next time I had a good chuckle when I watched King Dinosaur and i got the joke.

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  • 19
    jjb3k says:

    This is my favorite episode of Season 2. The movie is pure ridiculousness, so the riffs come fast and funny. “Tell the bee I love him…”

    This episode also has more prime examples of the Brains’ mentality throughout much of Season 2 – being weird for the sake of weird. Like the aforementioned bit where Joel does his Satan snake voice and it turns into a Kraft commercial with Servo as a surreal Ed Herlihy. The “Bongo, the god of gravity” riff in the short is another good example of what I’m talking about. At this point in the season, the Brains were obsessed with non-sequiturs, and I don’t know if that was Frank’s influence or what, but Season 2 just explodes with riffs that are downright strange. I think it’s one of the Phantom Creeps shorts where Crow just randomly says something like “Now shave your head, tie femur bones around your waist, and dance naked in the moonlight!” Those kinds of riffs run rampant in Season 2, where they try to get a laugh not through observation, but by saying the most unusual thing they can think of.

    That mentality reaches its peak in the next episode, “First Spaceship on Venus”, where even the host segments are random and surreal. I’ll talk more about it next week.

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  • 20
    Tork_110 says:

    Every time I cross at an intersection I mentally draw the hypotenuse onto the road.

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  • 21
    Mela says:

    I got to see the short thanks to one of the shorts compilations, and it’s one of my favorites. Lines like “Yeah, he can’t be a witness” and “If we were talking mob murders, this thing’d be digital” still make me smile. This is the first I’ve realized that it was the first actual short on the show, and it’s amazing how strong the nonserial one-reelers were from out of the gate.

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  • 22
    Mike says:

    I believe the hat reference is from the children’s book, ” Go Dog, Go!”

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  • 23
    briizilla says:

    3 stars. The short is a classic, much better than “The Phantom Creeps”, but the movie is only average. I’ve got a soft spot for pretty much any giant critter movie, but trying to pass of lizards as dinosaurs bugs me to no end. Bert I Goron Giggle is such a hack. There is almost no plot to be found in this thing. The ‘scientists’ show no desire to actually explore or research anything, they land and within a few hours are ready to head back to Earth. The one male scientist is a mysogonistic brute, casually pushing and yelling at the women every chance he can. Joey the lemur is adorable however and I’d like to keep one as a pet, but supposedly they can get kind of bitey. There are a few pretty dirty riffs in the feature, my favorite being when the two women scientists are laying next to each other Joel(i think) says “Bookends” to which one of the bots responds “and I’m the librarian”.
    The first time I ever saw the Joey the Lemur sketch I thought is was hilarious, now I just find it so strange. Was is thrown together at the last minute? Why is Joel vigorously banging the poor lemur puppet up and down on the desk? Was Joel stoned out of his mind and forgetting his lines?
    These are questions that keep me up at night….

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  • 24
    Cheapskate Crow says:

    I always thought the hat reference was to Alice in Wonderland. Favorite line: “You had your chance.” I don’t remember season 2 being this off the wall before but I haven’t seen many of these episodes in about 15 years. It’s amazing it took them this long to realize that they should use shorts instead of serials to fill time but I’m glad they did. I’d put this one in the good but not great category so 4 stars.

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  • 25
    Mr. B(ob) says:

    I read “Go, Dog, Go” dozens of times to my son when he was little and I don’t think the hat joke in this episode is referring to that.

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  • 26
    This Guy says:

    Sharktopus: The film guide, I imagine, was probably their way of hand-waving why they did a sketch based on the “lemur” even though it hadn’t been introduced in the movie yet. I’m not sure if that jibes with the order in which they wrote/recorded the host segments and movie segments, though.

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  • 27
    Spector says:

    This episode is one of those where the short was better than the main feature, which just isn’t a memorable flick for me. The only reason I remember the movie at all is because of Joel’s mad “Joey the Lemur” bit. Heck, sometimes I even had trouble remembering if “X Marks the Spot” appeared in the King Dinosaur episode or Lost Continent. Both films were just bland, despite the best efforts of Joel and the Bots. The short was hilarious, and more than makes up for the lame main feature. So, two stars for “King Dinosaur”, four stars for “X Marks the Spot.

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  • 28
    schippers says:

    Most tin-earred movie couplet ever: “Do you remember your chemistry?” “I know about the chemistry between us.” Ugh.

    The first time I heard the “Joey the Lemur” sketch (heard on my iPod, with no visuals at all), I was completely floored. It sounded like a complete bit of lunacy, but inspired and very funny. Oddly, when I WATCH the sketch, Joel’s spastic mannerisms seem to undercut the fun for me a little bit. Not sure why – perhaps because Joel was not, in general, a physically spastic performer on the show (physical, yes, what with all the interacting with the movies in the theater; spastic, no).

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  • 29
    schippers says:

    #9 and others – I, too, assume that the poem was written by Joel (or some other BB writer) to sound vaguely Beat-y, but also completely pompous, ridiculous, and nonsensical (oh, also like Beat poetry, heh).

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  • 30
    Sharktopus says:

    @ This Guy,

    I’m sure they only made the film guide comment to explain the telegraphed lemur sketch. (Although why they just didn’t just flop segments 2 and 3 is beyond my ken…) I just wonder if a film guide was in fact responsible for their assuming Joe was a lemur. I like to think of the Brains as wise and all-knowing. But then, maybe not everyone has the same extensive knowledge of South American raccoons as I do… Silly

    Fun fact: Kinkajous (or “honeybears”) are fairly friendly to humans and can be kept as pets, as is shown on the movie, but they’re nocturnal. Then again, just because the sun is clearly shining in a Bert I. Gordon movie doesn’t mean it’s not night.

    Does Tom’s delivery of “Sandwiches?” remind anyone else of the Monty Python sketch with the narcotics cop planting evidence? “Oh! Oh! Look! A bag I found on the premises! … Sandwiches? Whatever did I give the wife?”

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  • 31
    ern2150 says:

    Eldermy or Un-eldermy?

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  • 32
    dungeonmaster11 says:

    I think I’ll paraphrase something I said a few months back about this episode. I’ve seen quite a few MST3K episodes since I started about two years ago (127, to be exact, and at least half of each season, sans Season 0), and that includes every Sandy Frank film, and I’ve seen this episode more than once, but the scientists in this movie are still some of the most despicable and stupid? main characters I’ve ever seen, even outdoing the nobs from Terror from the Year 5000. And THAT’S saying something.

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  • 33
    Raptorial Talon says:

    Someone up above asked about the kinds of reptiles in the film . . . there was of course the alligator (possibly caiman, but gators would be easier to acquire in the U.S. at that time), and then for lizards I seem to recall an iguana, a tegu (the mostly dark, white-blotched one), and maybe a chuckwalla and a few other smaller ones. It’s been a while since I saw it.

    And it sickens me. Watching lizards performing natural predatory or defensive behaviors in the wild is one thing. Forcing them to mutilate each other for people’s “entertainment” is reprehensible – I wouldn’t want to see a real dog-fight for entertainment, and this is no different. It makes parts of this episode hard to watch.

    Well, that, and the mind-numbing stupidity of the scientists who find DINOSAURS on ANOTHER PLANET and their first reaction is not, “dear god, this is the most important discovery in the history of mankind” but instead, “LET’S SEND ‘EM TO HELL!” They get away from any immediate danger and decide to incinerate the mind-blowing, irreplaceable scientific knowledge they WENT THERE TO STUDY.

    Dumbest. Plot. Ever.

    And of course, anyone with any appreciation at all for dinosaurs or other reptiles knows how beyond-hokey it is to point to a plain old tegu and say “Look, it’s a tyrannosaur!” It shatters suspension of disbelief in a way dumber than any cheap forced-perspective toys or rubber suits ever could.

    @#30 You mean South American *procyonids?*

    :b

    Kinkajous *are* remarkably primate-like because they live a similar lifestyle in a similar habitat, and started with the same basic anatomical equipment. So I can see where the average joe could mistake one for a lemur.

    And I hate to mention this, but there’s a small chance the kinkajou is actually an olingo. Pretty closely related, but not the same thing by any means. I do think it looks more kinkajou-ish, though, from what I remember . . .

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  • 34
    Gorn Captain says:

    #1 Is it possible Joel was doing the lemur puppet badly on purpose? He had plenty of puppet props in his standup act. He was fine with that talking fish puppet he used in Magic Voyage of Sinbad. And he also performed that monkey puppet on Tv Wheel.

    Has anybody ever asked Joel about it? He must have shared a comedy club stage with a bad ventriloquist act at least once…

    My Dad was on Compuserve as early as 1982, so I have no problem believing some early MSTies were gadding about somewhere online in 1990. Wink

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  • 35
    Sharktopus says:

    The first ten to twelve minutes of King Dinosaur remind me of the scene from Tim Burton’s Ed Wood where Ed visits the stock footage library: “I bet I could make an entire movie out of just this stock footage.”

    Huh. Apparently B.I.G. shot the movie over only three days. I would’ve guessed two. And the opening credits include “Featuring Little Joe the Honey Bear,” right as Crow enters the theater. “What is this?” “King Dinosaur. It’s a Lippert Film.” “AAAAAAAH!” “Yep yep, yep.” As I mentioned before, Joel and the Bots feel unusually loose and playful here, much more like the original “three guys watch a cheezy movie together” concept. I like it very much.

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  • 36
    Sharktopus says:

    “And it sickens me. Watching lizards performing natural predatory or defensive behaviors in the wild is one thing. Forcing them to mutilate each other for people’s “entertainment” is reprehensible – I wouldn’t want to see a real dog-fight for entertainment, and this is no different. It makes parts of this episode hard to watch.”

    Well said, Mr Talon. I agree whole-heartedly. The only thing keeping me from hating this film for it is that, if Daddy-O is correct, the reptile fighting footage was recycled from another movie. Not that it makes it okay to use it, but if somebody already made an iguana kill an alligator, at least they got a lot of use out of it. Imagine if they’d paired King Dinosaur with Catching Trouble? Cry

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  • 37

    Favorite line from ‘X Marks The Spot:
    After viewing the highway accident death clock Crow says “Hey! If we were talking mob murders we’d be digital.”

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  • 38
    I'm not a medium, I'm a petite says:

    Sharktopus @30. Re Sandwiches. Agreed. I absolutely think it is a reference to the drug bust sketch from MPFC.

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  • 39
    Fart Bargo says:

    I’m with Fred @13 about the lead Dr Ralph Martin who seemed to delight in really roughing up the female crew, especially the screaming blonde. Blond guy is even worse, he decides to bring a nuclear bomb to blow up an island. 15 mins is plenty of time to paddle away from a nuclear blast?

    The short was excellent. Hapless Joe Doakes, Palooka Angel and THE COMMISSIONER OF THE DEPARTMENT OF MOTOR VEHICLE OF THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY is some star power in a short.

    As far as “Joe” is concerned, he was more human than the entire cast.

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  • 40
    wotunw5o says:

    @7
    lol, I remember a thousand years ago when MST got out of the second half of the “TV Shows (whatever it was)-Z”

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  • 41

    Actually didn’t Corman direct more movies featured on MST3K? I think he did at least 9, plus produced Night of the Blood Beast and one of his movies was featured in the home game (plus one Cinematic Titanic).

    Anyway, I haven’t seen this whole episode, just the short.

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  • 42
    EricJ says:

    @15 – Judge: “15 years…”
    Crow: “On a dead man’s chest.”

    Angel: “I was so upset with his behavior..”
    Joel: “…Why, I booted right in his front seat.”

    “Well, where’re your skates, boys?”

    “Just a cocktail or two…”
    “…POOIE!!”

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  • 43
    Raptorial Talon says:

    @36

    I already hate the movie (stupid, stupid plot), though I do need to see the episode again. Only watched it once – I can’t recall too much else besides the Lemur sketch and B.I.G. ol’ cinematic idiocy. Which usually doesn’t bother me this much, but *man.*

    Also, there is no way in hell an iguana would (in and of itself) kill an alligator of comparable mass. That would be like pitting a random hobo against Jackie Chan in full body armor. :\

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  • 44
    Sampo says:

    Smoothie: Corman directed six MSTed movies: 311-IT CONQUERED THE WORLD; 315-TEENAGE CAVEMAN; 317-VIKING WOMEN; 503-SWAMP DIAMONS; 511-GUNSLINGER and 806-THE UNDEAD. Seven if you count “The Day the World Ended.”

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  • 45
    Shark says:

    “Chirpy the mutant hellbeast” is my fave riff too. It is so random.

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  • 46
    Laura says:

    The short still gets to me no matter how many times I watch this episode. Not everyone in New Jersey drives like a complete maniac! Does anyone know exactly where in New Jersey this was filmed? It’s hard to tell. I still want to smack Joe upside his doughy head. And I always feel sorry for his guardian angel. Talk about a punishment! I do find it very entertaning with the riffing. Some of the New Jersey comments are spot on!

    Anyway, I have no problems with the movie (watching wise) or the host segments. It took several viewings of the Joey the Lemur segment to get what the heck Joel was smoking during that segment. I think it was a little too much caffiene that morning. The only part gets to me is the giant bee. I HATE bugs. I have a hard time watching it just for that reason.

    For those who care, the DMV is now called Motor Vehicle Commission. Still the same crap, just a different name.

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  • 47
    crowschmo says:

    Yes, Joe was, indeed, introduced as a honey bear in the credits. Awww.

    Squished Forrester was a neat little effect.

    I, too, liked the short better than the movie. Crow’s “Am I Qualified” speech is one of the funniest things they did. The first time I saw that, I cracked up.
    “Organize a bake sale…” Smile

    I ran out of room on my old VHS tape when I recorded this many moons ago. I only got up to the part where the second pair of a-holes try to rescue the first pair in the cave. SCIENCE!

    So, I’ve NEVER seen the end of this one!

    Joey the Lemur sketch IS a tad bizarre. I always thought maybe they were getting punchy and tired after a day of shooting and reshooting, perhaps, and just started getting silly. It could be an in joke, and they are making fun of someone, or something they had seen. Or maybe someone told Joel he was getting a bit too weird and he went overboard on purpose just to screw with their heads and annoy them.

    Some fave lines:

    (Host segment)Joel: “Oh, man, they crushed you, didn’t they? It’s probably all hot and it hurts and stuff. Does this mean we get to do the invention exchange first?”

    Short:

    Crow: “If you kill yourselves here, we can’t kill them over there.”

    Servo: “It’s called parallel universe parking.”

    Joel: “Doakes? Let’s see…there’s Dickweed, Dope, Dumbsh–oh, here it is.”

    Joel: “He said a silent prayer to Bongo, the God of Gravity.”

    Joel: “That’s when he stepped into a wormhole and was transported to the 16th Century.”

    Crow: “Oh, I wish I were dead – oh, I am.”

    Joel: “Oh, that’s great – we’re stranded in space and we still have to pull jury duty.”

    Movie:

    Crow: “Oh, I’m filled with wonder – these titles have whisked me away to a magic land…”

    Crow: “And there, on the handle, was some stock footage of a hook.”

    Joel: “You know, Tom, if you’re looking for plausibility in this film, you won’t find it here, friend.”

    Amen, brother. Pain

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  • 48

    Have never seen the ep but have seen the short. I love the line: “Are they going to mention how ugly that guy is?”

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  • 49
    Joseph Nebus says:

    @ Sharktopus says:

    I like to think of the Brains as wise and all-knowing. But then, maybe not everyone has the same extensive knowledge of South American raccoons as I do…

    They should have called in Coatimundi Man!

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  • 50
    Sharktopus says:

    So if X Marks The Spot was 1944, and Joe had been driving for 15 years, that means the Guardian Angel had committed his own substantial automotive sins prior to 1929. How recklessly must he have driven his Model A to deserve so severe a punishment?

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  • 51
    Fred Burroughs says:

    @10 – Joseph Nebus
    Hey Joe N; if your father really knows every location from the short, could you tell us what town or section it was filmed?
    My wife is a Jersey girl and I’d be curious just what part of NJ they would use for the DMV. The shore doesn’t look like the Philly suburbs, which don’t look like the rural south or the clogged north. ‘Course it looks all different now I’m sure. Did people really walk into and out of other people’s cars back then?

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  • 52
    Edge says:

    I’ve got to believe that the ‘hat will be the grandest of all’ comes from a variation of the words to ‘Easter Parade’ from the movie of the same name:

    In your Easter bonnet
    with all the frills upon it,
    You’ll be the grandest lady in the Easter parade

    Can I prove it? No. Only the ‘Brains’ no for sure.

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  • 53
    RL says:

    http://youtu.be/WrW2W3rN4N0

    On this youtube clip at about 2:45 Joel talks about reading a magazine with a mention that a hat party is being held at a convention.

    Nothing about it being “the grandest of all” but it’s something!

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  • 54
    MiqelDotcom says:

    I really like Joel, but this hipster beatnik poetry stuff is annoying, even if it is semi-ironic. Maybe it reminds me too much of myself when i was a coffee house denizen!

    I had never seen the original Joey the Lemur sketch when I saw the parody of it on LOTWH. That was very puzzling … Joel is either making it up, not reading the script very well or pretending to – i can’t really tell which.

    The background organ music (Mike Nelson?) in ‘Emotional Scientist’ is totally perfect! Strangely, there are a few themes in the film score that got stuck in my head to the point that I had to learn them on the flute.

    Also, I have to agree with some of the other comments, the “science” in the movie is idiotic, even for a cheap 50s scifi, and the “scientists” in this film are among the most pathetic of any MSTied movie!

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  • 55
    Watch-out-for-Snakes says:

    This one might crack my top 5 for the season. The short is really good and the Host Segments are mostly solid. Host Segment #1 starts slow but ends up being hilarious, maybe Crow’s stand-out moment of Season 2. So many great lines! I love the NETWORK-inspired line, “C’mon friends, run to your windows and shout, I’m cheesed and I’m not gonna hang around ’till this thing gets better!” as well as the callback to the classic commercial from my childhood, “ask Mr. Owl how many licks it takes to get to the tootsie-center.” Crow caps it off with a perfect “the pain…the pain…” Classic stuff. Segment #2, the classic Joey the Lemur sketch, is good manic stuff. Is Joel on crazy pills? HS#3 is just okay. Meh.

    The movie itself is a big pile of wrong. Plotless and incredibly stupid, definitely not the “best” Lippert movie of Season 2 and definitely not the best we’ll get from Mr. Bert I. Gordon, but still fairly watchable, despite the graphic lizard violence. Overall, I find myself giving this one a generous 4/5 rating.

    RIFFS:

    —-During X Marks the Spot:
    Joel: “Think they’re gonna talk about how ugly that guy is?”

    Crow: “I’m soooo ashamed!”

    Joel: “Looks like Nixon’s enemy list.”

    Crow: “He was higher than Judy Garland.”

    —–during King Dinosaur:

    Crow: “Joel, I’m tripping!”

    Joel’s snake voice: “Hi. Remember me? I’m Satan.”

    Servo and Joel talk about callbacks in the theater, which I found very interesting, as I assumed that was a term that MSTies made up. Also, the Bots mention Host Segments during the closing Segment. All of this is very meta.

    Joel: “Hey those aren’t real tears, I’ve heard about you!”

    And one of my favorite lines I like to throw out every once in awhile, JOEL: “He’s a chocolate mess!”

    .

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  • 56
    MonkeyPatrol:InColor says:

    Oh man, this is my favorite season 2 episode; I’ve always felt like this was the first “best” episode of the series.

    It’s baffling to me how many people are confused about the Joey the Lemur sketch. To me it’s pretty obviously written tongue-in-cheek.

    After all, it’s not a sketch show, but rather a show about a guy and his robots putting on sketches–so they make a crappy one every once in a while. You can really tell from Crow and Tom’s reactions that they’re “breaking character” (within the show) by reacting sort of bewildered and annoyed by Joel and the crappiness of the sketch. It’s meta, and it’s friggin’ hilarious.

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  • 57
    Joseph Nebus says:

    @51 Fred Burroughs says:

    @10 – Joseph Nebus
    Hey Joe N; if your father really knows every location from the short, could you tell us what town or section it was filmed?

    I asked and my father’s up for watching the short and seeing what places he can pin down, with the note that some places like Palmer Stadium are really gimmes, and he didn’t remember having seen the short before. But he’s like that.

    If this pans out, this could easily be the most trivial advance in MST3K knowledge since the horizontally flipped video of Crow, Joel, and Tom Servo inside the theater during the opening credits was sorted out.

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  • 58
    ck says:

    Even in the 50s this movie had to viewed as sexist.
    And June Cleaver could have punched out the guys.

    But say what you will, the movie is more engrossing then The Starfighters. Pain

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  • 59
    Sharktopus says:

    It’s true that not everyone in New Jersey drives like a maniac, but the many who do have perfected a reckless abandon that makes the Dukes of Hazzard look like Ralph Nader.

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  • 60
    TheDON3k says:

    Tom (I seem to recall) makes a semi-dirty reference in this one. As the guy, hiding the cave, is loading-up the flare gun, you see he’s inserting a long metal-looking tube into the gun, to which Tom says something to the effect of, ‘Let’s load-up the Steely Dan, here’…

    He’s referring to the shell having a resemblance to the Band’s namesake, of course.

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  • 61
    GizmonicTemp says:

    I’m a bit late in commenting, and this is a bit of a personal comment, so most have already stopped reading it… but anyway…

    This episode has a special place in my heart. I was furloughed from my job for six weeks while restructuring was going on and one of my “cheap entertainment” decisions was to purchase Season Two on video CD from a tape trader. I made it through most of season two with “Ring of Terror” being the only one better than a “m’eh” as far as I was concerned. Then, I popped in “King Dinosaur”. The short was dark and hilarious, the movie was absurd, the host segments were clever and charming, and the riffing was PLENTIFUL! I had always loved MST3K, but this show single-handedly convinced me that getting my hands on every episode was something I should pursue.

    I love this episode. Kissing

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  • 62
    Lex says:

    “My forheads all bondo.”

    “If you kill yourselves here, we can’t kill them over there.”

    I don’t remember anything about the movie, but I remember the Lemur sketch. I don’t think it went well.

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  • 63
    losingmydignity says:

    Funny, I didn’t like this one the first time through. But subsequent viewings have changed my mind. A very funny solid ep, and the best of the Lippert’s.

    I can just see Best Brains watching the next Phantom Creeps episode and saying, no, we gotta do something else! I move every bit as important as the removal of Joel’s goatee. Good riffing right out of the gate.

    I think this film may set the record for number of minutes of stock footage, footage from other films, and–what you call it–insert shots? in any film. Footage of the actors and such probably doesn’t amount to more than an Twilight Zone episode’s worth.

    Weird roughness with women. Creepy. Though I have to admit I do laugh at the Brains’ reaction to that moment when our “hero” throws down the girl. Whoa.

    I love the way Crows moment alone in the theatre sets up the first host seg which is a real charmer.

    I always thought the Joey the Lemur sketch was a parody of something specific, especially given Joel’s voice. Its weirdenss seems to come from its going on way too long. So long it becomes funny.

    B+

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  • 64

    Don’t mean to sound like a dick (and I know that anytime you preface something with “don’t mean to..” you come off exactly how you’re not trying to come off, but bare with me) but isn’t the reason The Brains and the fans call things host segments and callbacks; is because that is exactly what they are since those terms/words were old hat by the 80s.

    It seems like Lippert and others really got good use out of the cruel reptile fight and in a way The Brains, since it’s in this, Lost Conteniat (sp?, my English degree weeps), and Robot Monster.

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  • 65

    As soon as I saw the little bears doing a bit of good-natured brawling I half-expected Ross, from “Catching Ross”, to pop out of the undergrowth and bag ‘em. And then throw the bag to the ground from a great height, and catch them again when they escape. This film seems to share that kind of mindset, what with the atomic blast at the end. Within a day they shoot a snake, rip up some trees in order to make a shelter, knife an alligator, and shoot a grasshopper-wasp-bee thing. And all the animals were just minding their own business.

    Also, notice how they walk everywhere with the armed men at the front and back of the column and the two women in the middle, as if the women were cattle. It’s almost as if the film was a subtle satire on the colonial mindset. The White Male Reality. It’s a good job that there isn’t life on Mars, ’cause we would have ruined it if we had gone there in the 1950s. We’d have wiped out the Martians and replaced them with our own culture, and then *we* would be the Martians. Wouldn’t that be a good theme for a book, eh?

    “Besides, I’ve decided I’m the new god of this planet”

    The Joey the Lemur sketch is one of those things that skirts the border between brilliance and disturbing madness. I can’t remember the exact quote, but it reminds me of a line about watching a friend who seems to be the upbeat life and soul of the party, but is actually having a nervous breakdown. I assume they decided to do an experiment and just improvise the whole thing, but they had to simultaneously concentrate on operating the puppets and standing in the right place, and it overwhelmed their situational awareness. “I don’t panel well” is a good line though. Elderly or un-eldermy?

    “On this youtube clip at about 2:45 Joel talks about reading a magazine with a mention that a hat party is being held at a convention.”

    Wouldn’t it be incredible if the man himself was reading this, and answered this question by email? It’s never going to happen in a million years, but wouldn’t it be incredible? We’d have to be careful not to offend him, though. Creative people are a bit flaky, prone to outbursts.

    I’m going to click to insert a smiley: Coffee

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  • 66
    toot-toottoot-toot says:

    I haven’t commented on these in forever so, while i’m about a month and a half late I figured I’d actually get around to making up for lost time, ha. X Marks the Spot was such a groundbreaking short for the series. It was the first “true” short and actually ranks pretty high on my faves of all time. The movie I felt was an average riffing effort and Joey the Lemur was needless, of course. 3/5 stars.

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  • 67
    Seneca says:

    These scientists should never have been allowed to make a space voyage together. Happy loving couples on a multi-million dollar scientific expedition? It’s so dumb only someone like Bert I. Gordon could have conceived it. But then, sometimes I suspect that Bert I. is a subversive film maker who slyly poked fun at the ridiculous macho-military attitudes of the fifties. Certainly none of his films make the military look good.

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