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Episode guide: 521- Santa Claus

Movie: (1959) Pitch the devil hinders Santa on Christmas Eve.

First shown: 12/24/93
Opening: A caroling attempt ends in disaster
Intro: Inappropriate gifts are exchanged
Host segment 1: On the SOL, the rock band Santa Klaws performs
Host segment 2: The bots arrange a Nelson family reunion
Host segment 3: An all-inclusive politically correct holiday song: “Merry Christmas…If That’s Okay”
End: On the SOL, it’s a snow day! In Deep 13, Pitch and Santa fight it out
Stinger: Laughing mechanical reindeer
1 Star2 Stars3 Stars4 Stars5 Stars (189 votes, average: 4.78 out of 5)

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• This one, of course, is a perennial favorite, and now that it is on DVD, it can truly be a holiday regular. It’s one of those episodes I’ve seen so many times I can practically recite it, but it’s still entertains me every time. The movie is SO odd (it is a very weird reflection on Mexican culture), the riffing is very strong and the segments are generally pretty good. It doesn’t feel like Christmas until I’ve seen it.
• This one can be found on Shout’s “Mystery Science Theater 3000 Collection: Vol. XVI.”
• The gift exchange segment may seem a bit dry, even baffling, to our eyes today, but remember that Mike had joined the SOL crew less than ten episodes previous. The point of the segment is that they still barely know each other, so their attempts to give gifts are forced and uncomfortable. But if you didn’t know the context, you could hardly be blamed for not getting the joke.
• The first 15 or so minutes of the movie, when we get a slew of ethnic/national jokes, as Santa’s international cadre of “helpers” are introduced, are great fun. Every four years, when I watch the parade of nations at the Olympic opening ceremonies, I reuse those riffs.
• Does anybody else feel that if Crow had used that “Carmen Miranda rights” joke with Joel, Joel would have ripped at least one arm out?
• Non-spaghetti ball bumpers: pan to beaker; closeup on film canister; pan down to notebook.
• I’ve never been a big fan of the “Whispering Christmas Warrior” segment. It feels a little too restrained. I would have like to see them go more Ozzie Osbourne on the thing. I do like the reaction shots of Frank and Dr. F., though.
• One memorable set of riffs comes when each of them gives notable literary opening line. “I was born in the house my father built” is from Richard Nixon’s then-current autobiography, “The minute Yosarian…” is from “Catch-22.” “Call me Ishmael” is, of course, from “Moby Dick.”
• That’s Pat Brantseg, Mary Jo and Tim Scott as “Mike’s family.”
• One of my favorite moments from this episode is when Santa is preparing to leave his castle to deliver the presents, and as he makes his little benediction, he looks up for no particular reason and M&tB respond by looking confusedly around, as if to see what he might be looking at. It cracks me up every time.
• The Brains seem to think the name “Kringle” is funny. They use it a lot.
• As Santa is putting out presents, Crow has him mumbling: “CableAce award…no, that’s no good…” A little bitterness there.
• On the other hand, the “Merry Christmas…If That’s Okay” song is a holiday classic, right up there with “Patrick Swayze Christmas.” Commenting on PC attitudes about Christmas was not a particularly original comedic idea, but they gave it an original spin.
• Then-current reference: “At home with Carl Rowan.” Rowan was a nationally syndicated columnist and prominent supporter of gun control who became a national punchline in 1988 when he shot a teenage intruder with his unregistered .22. He passed away in 2000. Honorable mention: “A scud!” Scuds are no longer the fearsome terror weapon they were considered back then.
• Memorable host segment line: “More pie, man-goat?” They really did a great job on Paul’s costume/make up. And of course that’s Kevin as Santa, though the credits don’t say so.
• Cast and crew roundup: producer Guillermo Calderon also worked on “The Robot Vs. The Aztec Mummy.” Importer K. Gordon Murray also brought “Robot Vs. the Aztec Mummy” and “Samson Vs. the Vampire Women to American audiences. Score composer Anthony Diaz Conde also worked on “The Robot Vs. The Aztec Mummy.”
• CreditsWatch: Host segments directed by Jim Mallon.
• Fave riff: “Suddenly Santa corkscrews into Ypsilanti, Michigan!!” Honorable mention: “Well, that’s not strictly true either…”
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Next week we will return to regular order with episode 610- The Violent Years.

146 comments to Episode guide: 521- Santa Claus

  • 1
    Green Switch says:

    “Does anybody else feel that if Crow had used that “Carmen Miranda rights” joke with Joel, Joel would have ripped at least one arm out?”

    I don’t know, Joel seemed fairly tolerant of that joke when Servo used it in “Santa Claus Conquers the Martians.”

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  • 2
    MDH1980 says:

    What was the deal with Frank’s “shaved head” and then dropping it the next episode?

    I recall being at my grandmother’s house for our christmas eve gathering on the evening this premiered. CC showed Santa Claus Conquers the Martians before this.

    I never really liked the “Warrior of Christmas” son either, but I do enjoy Tom & Crow’s “christmas time to free your mind…” bit.

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  • 3
    Dyne says:

    I’ve only seen this one once so… I’ll watch it again and offer a more detailed commentary afterwards. Alien

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  • 4
    daffyphack says:

    If you watch Fox News, you’ll learn that “Merry Christmas If That’s Okay” is still VERY timely.

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  • 5
    ck says:

    And the “Happy” ending works for the family how? Dad doesn’t get a job, no pot of gold.Hmmm.

    (Next day): Mom to daughter:
    “Well, you see, your doll has gone to a nice farm in the country where she’ll be very happy. Now let’s eat with this money I just found.”

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  • 6
    GizmonicTemp says:

    Click on my name for my FULL review!

    MDH1980 #2 – Ever hear of “The Gift of the Magi?” I lady cuts her long hair to buy her husband a watch band, but her husband has sold his watch to buy her some hair brushes.

    I LOVE this episode. The movie is like a delicious cake with a bad frosting job done. The movie has GREAT messages about religion and consumerism, but is all VERY goofy.

    Not since Peter Gabriel filmed the “Sledgehammer” video has an actor put so much makup on (Pitch).

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  • 7
    I'm not a medium, I'm a petite says:

    5 stars all the way. Another trippy masterpiece.

    Sampo: Re “a very weird reflection on Mexican culture” keep in mind that you can only ‘rely’ on the visuals… the translation / dubbing process can well put north of the border spin that was not intended in the orginal.

    Also, Samp: in the gift giving sequence, was there more of a joke than the joke that was presented ?

    Anyway enough of that: Love the ep.

    Santa is so manic, so deranged. All irony aside, he may be my favorite Santa this side of Clement C. Moore.

    And I am somewhat ashamed to say that Lupita and her story are actually quite touching. Her mother is carrying a well wrapped baby in her arms in the market scene no ? If so, then extra touching as Lupita carries the almost shoplifted doll under her shawl, mirroring the way her mother is. sigh.

    Where else can you get Jesus, Santa Claus and Merlin all playing for the same team ? Sounds like a great graphic novel… The X-Mas League !!!

    Reference alert : Are they name-checking the 1993 movie Sliver ( about high tech voyeurism ) early on when Santa is first heading over to his spy machinery. It is garbled on my ‘tape’. Also, I assume that ‘Mr. Owsley’ should really be Mr. Stanley, referencing Owsley Stanley the one-man California LSD industry that fueled both the Grateful Dead and the Electric Kool Aid Acid tests.

    Interesting that the movie’s “Orient” is seperate from China & Japan and appears to be our… Middle East ( ? That was belly dancing right ? help me somebody ).

    The Hair Band bit was no more or less that it needed to be… didn’t go on too long. The SOL Gift Exchange seemed almost perfectly written, but the Deep 13 one was a bit stilted ( but funny and in character ). The holiday carol was excellent except for the carol is a female name bit which was just needless & stupid. I think Archie Bunker, The Third Man and the Shelby Cobra at the very least would have something to say about that.

    The logic of ‘moving the chimney’ is wonderful, and very Bugs Bunny ( if not downright Bunuel ).

    And my last name has been misread more than once as man-goat, so of course more-pie-man-goat rips me to shreds.

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  • 8
    swh1939 says:

    “… the Pleasure Mouth …”

    Always hilarious!!

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  • 9
    Cabot says:

    Good, old fashioned nightmare fuel. Indeed.

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  • 10
    jason says:

    first i don’t want to get on a rant, but the war on xmas really was one because people wanted to turn xmas into some bland general holiday with no meaning. It was getting riduclous and still is. It suppose to be a time where peace and happiness reign. instead people were called a horrible, hateful human beings for belieivng in it, and called stupid and enslaved minds. If you don’t like xmas don’t celabrate it. Whatever happen to live and let live.
    As for the epidose, i think it is one of the greatest epsiodes. i think this was only episode where we get 2 songs.

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  • 11
    Kenotic says:

    This was certainly one of those movies that wasn’t bad — just quite bizarre.

    Between this, the Episode Guide, and the Martian movie, I get the feeling that the MST crew really didn’t like the idea of separating Christmas from the religious background.

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  • 12
    Droppo says:

    This one has to be my all-time favorite Mike episode. Shout Factory, I implore you…please release this one!

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  • 13
    MDH1980 says:

    Gizmonic- Thanks. I’d heard of “Gift of the Magi” as a term, but for some reason wouldn’t have been able to assoicate a story with it.

    Checking wikipedia and seeing how many times it’s been ripped off/paid hoamge to in pop culture, I should have known of it.
    Oops!

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  • 14
    GizmonicTemp says:

    Medium #7 – I’m guessing that the movie’s “Orient” includes India, which would explain the belly dancing (even though you NEVER need to explain belly dancing).

    I guess this is as good a time as any to do this, so Merry Christmas to everyone; to Chris and Brian for keeping this awesome site going and to all the posters who keep it so lively! I love you all!

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  • 15
    Wes says:

    What adds to this episode being a personal favorite is that I have vivid memories of seeing this movie as a kid at the theater. Nightmare fodder indeed.

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  • 16
    happy says:

    Im looking forward to playing it the week of Christmas along with SCCTM either the mst or CM verion, or both, and then Ill be watching some good Xmas movies
    I love the JOIKE shirt in this one. How does Gypsy knit with no hands anyway. I didnt like how Joel was referred to as
    ‘the other guy’ in that segment.
    The show overall is fun. Im shocked it wasnt part of the Rhino series of Volumes, so now lets hope for Shout Factory

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  • 17
    HeatUpTheDeathRay says:

    This is certainly in my top five (maybe even top three!) favorite episodes. It’s already been mentioned, but I have to emphasize that in my home, at least, it isn’t Christmas until this has been played at least once. More often many, many times, though.

    I have to agree with the poster above (Kenotic) who said that this movie isn’t bad, just bizarre, but I think I have to add one caveat: it isn’t bad in its original cultural context, but ripped from that and dubbed into English, it is both bizarre and bad. Bad in the sense that it fails as a children’s movie, in that it is difficult to imagine a child not being disturbed by the unfamiliar, the awkward, and the just downright creepy. The film is even creepier in its original cut, as the scene in which Pitch and Lucifer are introduced (the mephistophelian dance number sequence) also depicts a group of hooded, damned souls being marched through the pits of Hell. Not exactly typical norteamericano kiddie fare.

    The riffing on this is absolutely top notch, with M&TB wringing the most out of the whole weird, technicolor mess. I think it may have been mentioned on this board before, or elsewhere, but add my name to those who wish MST3K had riffed more of these Mexican kiddie matinees. There are plenty (Tom Thumb, aka Pulgarcito and Little Red Riding Hood and the Monsters, aka Caperucita y Pulgarcito contra los monstruos, just to name two). Like Santa Claus, they are weird, occasionally creepy, and so bizarre that they all but scream out for commentary.

    As I said, the riffing is top notch, and most of the host segments are also superb: Crow’s utter lack of enthusiasm over the “snow day” (“Yeah, it looks like a wet miracle. And I’m not shovelin’ it!”) never fails to crack me up. I can never sit through the “Whispering Christmas Warrior” segment, though. Bland, pointless, irrelevant…it feels like just an excuse to send up power ballads, which are already so self-parodic that it hardly seems necessary. One of the few things in MST3K’s history that I consider truly unfunny. Everything else in this episode is amazing, though! Five stars.

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  • 18

    Great episode, mainly since the pervasive crazee offers so much riffing fuel.

    As to the gift-exchange bit, I actually think it’s funnier if the ‘bots are taken to just have really eclectic tastes. That’s how I and my viewing circle always took it, and it was fun.

    “Interesting that the movie’s “Orient” is seperate from China & Japan and appears to be our… Middle East”

    Back in the day, “Orient” was a term for the East in general – the Near East (like Turkey), Middle East (like Saudi Arabia), and Far East (like China). Seems the term/translation here sort of failed.

    “but the war on xmas really was one because people wanted to turn xmas into some bland general holiday with no meaning. It was getting riduclous and still is. It suppose to be a time where peace and happiness reign. instead people were called a horrible, hateful human beings for belieivng in it, and called stupid and enslaved minds. If you don’t like xmas don’t celabrate it. Whatever happen to live and let live.”

    I enjoy the sentiment of brotherhood and merriment associated with Christmas, but at its core it is about the idea that one must accept Christ for that peace and joy to mean anything. And that, of course, is exclusionary and condescending to people outside of Christianity – of which our democracy has many.

    More ironically, as you’ll see, you’ve got at least five key groups involved: Christians who hate the pagan imagery of trees and so forth, who deny the conventional expression of the holiday; militantly anti-religous folks who dislike Christianity and therefore *also* dislike that imagery (strange bedfellows . . .), mainstream Christians who don’t care enough about the purity of their religion to dislike the imagery; weakly-practicing and non-Christians who grew up with the holiday and enjoy it for sociocultural rather than religious reasons; and non-Christians of other religions who may or may not be tolerant of the fact that our society is awash in the imagery of a different faith for a few months each year.

    So given a convoluted mess like that, Mike & the ‘bot’s entreaties to make Christmas truly multicultural seem rather poignant.

    That said, I still like Whispering Christmas Warrior as well. I think they could have done better, but it was still a great concept – and it’s so random and absurd that it’s still hilarious. Let love unwind, indeed.

    “(even though you NEVER need to explain belly dancing).”

    Even when it’s being performed by CHILDREN?!

    That’s gotta be questioned a little, if only to clarify the context . . .

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  • 19
    HeatUpTheDeathRay says:

    One other note: the Japanese child (who does not appear to have a name) that assists Santa in his “magic observatory”. He is, indeed, speaking Japanese in both the English dub and the original Spanish audio, but his Japanese is rather awkward and poorly pronounced. So either the young actor playing him did not speak Japanese and was pronouncing his lines phonetically, or his lines were dubbed in later by another actor who wasn’t fluent. Either way, kinda odd.

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  • 20
    MikeK says:

    I love this episode, it’s weirdness makes it the Manos of Christmas movies. So, in Mexican culture Santa Claus has a workshop full of child laborer, who really just seem to be hanging out rather than working. Santa defers to God, which does make sense in a way, but it’s still weird in the context of the movie.

    And what about Santa’s castle? He’s got all of that weird surveillance gear. That “pleasure mouth”, as Crow calls it, is creepy.

    I watched this recently and I noticed that both Santa Claus and Santa Claus Conquers the Martians both feature the introduction of the movie’s villains via a toy.

    I enjoy “Whispering Christmas Warrior” but I do agree that it feels restrained. They really should have gone all out with an ’80s metal look. Sort of a Dio or Dokken type of look, as opposed to the Hall & Oates attempts to play metal look.

    My favorite riff from this movie is from when Pitch is one of the houses. He’s running around, blowing hot air on the door knob to prevent Santa from entering the house. During all of this Mike says, “What is this? Home Alone 3: The Quickening.” A reference to the infamously bad movie sequel Highlander 2: The Quickening. Little did they know that there would eventually be a Home Alone 3.

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  • 21
    GizmonicTemp says:

    Raptorial Talon #18 – I was referring to the association of belly dancing with the Orient, not the age of those involved, you sick monkey. Rolls Eyes In fact, I did some research by watching “History of the World, Part 2.”

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  • 22
    Timmy says:

    Santa’s laughter mocks the poor.

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  • 23
    H says:

    A very good episode. Definitely a holiday tradition with SCCTM. Movie, not sure what to say about it. It’s just so odd. Host segments are good, especially like the ‘Nelson’ family reunion and ‘Merry Christmas, If That’s Okay’.

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  • 24
    pablum says:

    One of my favorite Mike episodes. Hilarious movie.

    Who knew Santa Claus fought the forces of darkness alongside Merlin and a little Mexican boy in a fortress in high orbit above earth?

    Joel had his crazy laughing horse in the Magic Voyage of Sinbad (That’s not Sinbad!), and Mike got his insane laughing reindeer-thing in this movie. Good ol’ fashioned nightmare fuel.

    The riffing was good and the host segments were pretty funny. Especially Gypsy’s “JOIKE” sweater. Though it seems the movie itself was dishing out the laughs with its wackiness just as much as the crew.

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  • 25
    Bob says:

    One fan’s “eh” is another fan’s “hooray”. I found the “Rock band Santa Klaws” sketch to be the funniest host segment in the show. The movie is downright bizarre and heavy-handed, yielding pretty good results from the MST3K joke department.

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  • 26
    jason says:

    To raptorial talion
    actually the christmas tree comes from germany. it reprensents the station of the cross. That why it always bother me people calling it a holiday tree. It just some people want to turn xmas into their own verson of a bland holiday. just imagine someone making your birthday a bland gerneral holiday.
    I also forgot the 3 kids who talk about kidnapping santa and making him do their bidding. I thought it was so weird that is was funny.

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  • 27
    Brian T says:

    “No Lupita!” This is an awesome episode with some of the oddest scenes of all the MST3k movies. What I found disturbing was Santa’s humming/singing Christmas songs while he strolled around the castle like a big, drunken grandpa!

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  • 28
    I'm not a medium, I'm a petite says:

    Jason #26. not to stir up trouble, but I’ve not seen any references to the christmas tree representing the stations of the cross. Please share your references.

    I belong mostly to the ‘carried over from pagan rituals’ school, but I’d be willing to entertain any reasonable, supportable theory. That of course does not mean that 21st Century Chrsitians could not have built their own modern interpretation, but that’s kind of different from actual history ( i just read a Martin Luther version that was kind of interesting ).

    ( for the record, I am an ethnic christian radical atheist who LOVES christmas in all it’s pagan / commercial / peace on earth splendor ).

    ( umm and if anyone wants to take MY birthday and turn it into a bland general holiday, have at it !!!)

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  • 29
    I'm not a medium, I'm a petite says:

    Oh, and though I like SCCTM a lot, this one ( SCCTD ? )has poved more re-watchable. There is more story and more visual content ( for me, the subject movie has a lot to do with how much I like the ep itself ).

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  • 30
    Dyne says:

    Okay, caught up with a 2nd viewing.

    *
    * Callback: “Santa Claus vs. the Aztec Mummy.”
    * I laughed at the fact that Santa was playing Silent Night on his organ when that’s one of the few Christmas songs in the movie that has nothing to do with him (Mike even comments that he “should” know the words to it).
    * What is with Santa’s dubbed voice? He sounds like a Steve Reeves dubbed voice imitator. I do like his laugh though.
    * Re-riff joke: “Dear Santa, I’m an elderly woman who doesn’t enjoy sex.” First happens on Beginning of the End (that I’m aware of).
    * Where does Merlin come from in this movie? Why is he living in the clouds with Santa? Why is he even in the movie? At least they do something to justify his existence.
    * I have to admit, I don’t intend to teach my kids that the focus of Christmas is on Jesus and not Santa Claus, but I’m still touched during the scene where Santa appears to the rich kid in his dream.
    * Kevin as “Krusher” Kringle is the perfect end to this episode.
    * Favorite riff: “A pentagram and reindeer laughing. You figure it out.”

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  • 31
    Dyne says:

    Oops, that first bullet is a comment on Mike’s pronunciation of “Joike.” It wasn’t was I was expecting.

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  • 32
    John Seavey says:

    Wait, someone wants to turn my birthday into a general holiday? SWEET!

    Seriously, I find that the general effect of the “War on Christmas” is not to make Christmas less generic and more Christian, but to instead make it generally uncomfortable and less enjoyable for everyone. I’ve had people who wouldn’t say anything to me about the holidays at all, because they couldn’t be sure if they’d offend me for mentioning Christmas (if I was multi-cultural or not Christian) or not mentioning Christmas (if I was evangelical.) So they just sort of mumbled, “Goodbye,” and looked sheepish.

    I understand the feelings of the devout Christians who care deeply about this holiday, but they aren’t making any allies when they get angry over the issue.

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  • 33
    MikeK says:

    On the disastrous attempt at caroling, this another one of those things that Trace did well, the shrieking Crow. Whether he’s getting sawn in half on a table saw, or has scalding liquid poured onto him, it’s always hilarious to hear Crow scream. It’s just one of the things I admire about the puppetry on MST3K. This piles of plastic parts are given such life, which is even greater considering that the characters are robots, and not flesh and blood beings like, say, Muppets.

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  • 34
    Steve K says:

    “And of course that’s Kevin as Santa.”
    According to the credits, it’s some guy named “Krusher Kringle” Smile

    The JOIKE sweater. That on always made me wonder: did they start with JOel and miKE, realize that would be “JOKE” and not want to go down that road, and so added the I?

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  • 35
    Steve K says:

    And of course, by “That on”, I mean “That one”. Oops!

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  • 36
    GizmonicTemp says:

    jason #26 – I get my Christmas tree from Home Depot.

    John #32I understand the feelings of the devout Christians who care deeply about this holiday, but they aren’t making any allies when they get angry over the issue. As a practicing Christian, I say A-MEN to that!

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  • 37
    MikeK says:

    I have a more cyncial, but different take on that “war on Christmas”. I suspect that it’s all about making money. If more people, in this case non-Christians, are more comfortable with the season, they are more likely to participate in the season. The ultimate goal being that everyone buys presents, not just those celebrating Christmas.

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  • 38
    Omega says:

    Something I noticed on a second viewing is that Frank mentions buying the watch strap for Clayton but… he never, ever states that he sold his hair to get the money for it (in fact he gets noticeably confused when Dr. F asks if he sold his hair). Which meant he inexplicably shaved his head for no apparent reason (except to homage Gift of the Magi).

    Also I’m surprised there weren’t any comments on the opening. It’s another carefully rehearsed skit that, quite simply, descends into total chaos.

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  • 39
    adoptadog says:

    This has one of the most perfect stingers ever – once you know the name of the movie, and then see that laughing reindeer, you understand everything you need to know about “Santa Claus.”

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  • 40
    HeatUpTheDeathRay says:

    I almost forgot my favorite riff: “Bone in my hair, I’M FROM DETROIT!!” LOL

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  • 41
    Trashman says:

    I’ve always wanted to use “Joike” as shorthand for “Joel or Mike.” As in, “drink whenever Joike points at the screen.”

    “Dear Santa Claus: Please bring me a little brother.”
    “Ho-ho-ho! Oh, can do, ho-ho, can do!”

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  • 42
    John M. Hanna says:

    From the child slave labor, the hideous mouth (I hope) device, the terrifying robot reindeer, (robeindeer?) and flamboyant prancing devils, this is the most disturbing Santa based movie I’ve ever seen. (And I’ve seen “Silent Night, Deadly Night.”)

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  • 43
    Cliff Weismeyer says:

    Just an awesome episode, and a true Christmas miracle for those who like their bad movies served up like a fever dream. My wife (no mystie, she) has no idea why I walk around the house bellowing “No, Lupita” at this time of year, but she does it now also.

    Re: the war on Christmas, I attribute it to mostly to the culture of outrage that we as a society have allowed to take root in our everyday lives. All political sides are guilty, as are the rest of us for not laughing down the people who we agree with that are perpetuating it. People who take issue with things people of any religious persuasion do to bring happiness to children, build community, bring together families, and promote peace, love, and compassion should probably take a hard look at their priorities. If we would all take a few minutes every day away from being outraged, and spend that time instead trying to learn about and appreciate each other, we might find that those folks you spend so much time disparaging are pretty decent people. As some wise folks once advised, we all should “really just relax.”

    I’m off my soapbox! Merry Christmas (from this Catholic) and Happy Holidays to all of my brothers and sisters in the Mystie community, and to our dedicated and generous hosts.

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  • 44
    Ralph C. says:

    I like this episode. It is funny. I laughed a lot.

    We should have a war on National Flashlight Day– and we don’t have much time to prepare for it!! (It’s on December 21st)

    Merry Season’s Happy Christmas Holidays Greetings to all!

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  • 45
    Jeff says:

    Camelot is technically still around, but it’s called FYE now, along with The Wall. I liked The Wall.

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  • 46
    BebopKate says:

    Regarding belly dancing: I believe it is actually more Middle Eastern in origin than Indian. A friend of mine who does it often works with people from Iran and Egypt.

    Now, on the episode: I love this one, and I agree with Sampo it’s not Christmas until it’s been viewed. Preferably with people who have never seen it before so they too can go “what the hell?” Lupita is the cutest thing to ever appear in an MST episode ever, and it occurred to me during my last viewing it’s because she’s the most genuine of all the kids in the movie. The others are all obviously actors, but Lupita acts the most like a real little girl. It’s quite endearing. I always get a little touched at her request for two dolls, one for her and one for baby Jesus, and then crack up at Crow’s follow-up line (“Oh, he’s got plenty of presents already.”)

    I remember there was some MST contest they ran a commercial for (maybe the Expo-Fest trip?) with the clip with Mike saying, “I’m telling you Pepe, these Comedy Central contests are a waste of time…”

    But why is Merlin even there? I can buy the castle, the toy reindeer, and even the creepy body part-based spying equipment, but him? Did he just drop by for a visit, or are they life partners or something?

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  • 47
    Creepygirl says:

    Why was Merlin lurching around like someone broke his kneecaps? Loved the ep and plan on watching it with family Xmas day. Happy Holidays!

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  • 48
    crowschmo says:

    Using pine boughs and decorating pine trees predates Christ in quite a few ancient cultures. The fact that they remained evergreen even in winter gave them a mystical quality. I think all that is just different religions stealing customs from each other and incorporating them into their own, using their own interpretations.

    As for this movie, well…. It’s definitely weird. I didn’t like this ep as much as SCCTM, but it had it’s moments. A few. It kind of dragged in spots and was almost unwatchable. I didn’t like the host segments that much.

    Favorite line: (when Lupita gets her dolly)”Well, it’s kind of an empty miracle with very short-lived consequences – but..” – Mike

    Also liked in the beginning when Mike said: “Children on the verge of a nervous breakdown.”

    And Crow’s: “Hey – could we move onto a country with some rythym?”

    And of course, the ever popular: “Santa’s laughter mocks the poor.”

    Oh, and Mike’s: “Our love’s implied – goodbye.”

    Somebody already beat me to pointing out the fact that Servo had used the line, “Don’t forget to read them their Carmen Miranda rights.” in SCCTM. Grin

    Overall, this was so-so for me.

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  • 49
    odessasteps magazine says:

    Not sure if this is blasphemous or not, but I prefer Santa Claus to SC Conqueres The Martians. Who couldn’t love Santa vs the Devil?

    I LOVE the Parade of Nations bit. When I gave a conference paper back in the day on MST3K and metatextuality, that segment was part of my video presentation.

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  • 50
    Katana says:

    I started singing “Merry Christmas, If That’s Okay” a few days ago after band, which caught the attention of some people as they listened to the lyrics and kept trying to ask me questions (but got none, as I was adamant about finishing the song). Given how uptight people are about the holidays, it’s the perfect thing to sing and to bust out in, especially when you’re in public school. I’m making it my theme song for the holidays this year.

    This is a great episode…fun, cracktastic, and just plain weird, as has been said about a couple dozen thousand times before. The first time I watched this was one day after school in the late summer, and being in a delirious state of mind just added to the bizarreness. And personally? I kindasortamaybe like the Whispering Christmas Warrior bit, and not just because saying “Are you ready to be merry? / Yes!” confuses the hell out of my parents.

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  • 51
    Clint says:

    I think my copy is from the same airing as you guys. I remember the annoying Jerky Boys animated commercials with the veiny plumber screaming into the phone. And the 90s Panasonic commercials with MASH technology, whatever that meant.

    As for the episode, I love this one. The Ron Reagan joke always gets a huge chuckle. Pitch does look quite a bit like Ron Reagan.

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  • 52
    Clint says:

    By “you guys,” I mean Sampo, of course.

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  • 53
    Clint says:

    Triple posting… but I also love the Gift of the Magi segment where Frank shaves his head and gives Dr. F a watch fob.

    “Frank, you sold your hair and bought me a watch fob!”

    “Sold my hair?? No…”

    I always read that as shaving his head had nothing to do with the gift. He just shaved his head. One of my favorite Frank moments.

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  • 54
    R.A. Roth says:

    The windup reindeer are uber freaky. Charming as a Nam flashback. I watched it again on Thanksgiving night for the first time on DVD (tape transcribed to DVD, of course). The perfect kick off to the Christmas season.

    Merry Christmas, everybody!

    Randy

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  • 55
    S. Mc. says:

    Jason, #10: There were two songs in Sidehackers, also. The second one is a parody of a song that was in the movie, so not necessarily an original, but “Only Love Pads The Film” is close to my heart Smile

    Merry Christmas, everyone! (If that’s OK…)

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  • 56
    crowschmo says:

    Two songs in Pod People – “Hideous Control Now” and “Clown in the Sky”.

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  • 57
    BobT says:

    “I love this episode, it’s weirdness makes it the Manos of Christmas movies.”

    MikeK, you are so right. The opening driving sequence of Manos and the “Children of the World” sequence of Santa Claus are a perfect match — you can’t believe it’s actually been put to film, but it has. And then you laugh non-stop.

    To one and all: get down with your bad Santa selves.

    Didn’t Lupita go on to have her own reality show? A Shot of Love with Loopy Lupita?

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  • 58
    Joe Sixpack says:

    PURE EFFING EVIL.

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  • 59
    big61al says:

    Commenter #30 i love the same fiff “A pentagram and reindeer laughing. you figure it out” Just cracks me up every time. Grin

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  • 60
    J.K. Robertson says:

    So many great riffs from this episode, I’ll post some of my favorites that haven’t been mentioned yet…

    (When we are first introduced to Pitch):
    “Jamie Farr!”

    “In the name of Santa, Merlin and the elves, Amen.”

    Narrator: “Hopefully the magic flower will not fall into bad hands…”

    Crow:”…Like Jose Canseco’s?”

    “I just him a coupon for half-off a little brother!”

    Love this episode, and it’s definitely a holiday tradition for me as well! Definitely in my top-5!

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  • 61
    Edge says:

    I always thought the gift exchange was based on the fact they were trapped in space and had to exchange what was on hand.

    Love the episode, not so much the two songs from Mike and the Bots. Come on Shout Factory, isn’t this in ‘Public Domain’?

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  • 62
    Cornjob says:

    I was taking a modern art appreciation class when I first saw this episode, and the line about it being very nice of Marcel Duchamp to let the Mexican family use his apartment is one of my favorite riffs of all time. This whole movie has a creepy surrealistic “An Andelusian Dog” feel to it. Now that I think of it, this might be the weirdest MST movie of all.

    About Christmas: it’s a weird Holiday. The story of the miraculous birth, and the sostice celebration with evergreen, and Father Time figures with big white beards are all pagan things that the Christians appropriated and plopped Jesus on top of. This is fine with me, and I think taking good stuff from previous religeons is a good thing for a new religeon to do. I just wish the christians hadn’t turned around and then killed most of the pagans they got their stuff from. This antagonistic relationship between pagans and christians is part of what makes the hybrid Christmas holiday as we know it so weird. Just as modern Easter celebrations are rather strange with the juxtaposition of Christ’s coming back from the dead with Easter eggs.

    Throw in crass commercialism and rampant greed, our modern Christmas has something to delight and offend just about everyone.

    I really wish people would just stop trying to claim that only they have a monopoly on the real meaning of the holiday and that everyone else is wrong and stupid and an *ssh*l*. Like the song says, “for crying out loud can’t we all just get along?”

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  • 63
    Cornjob says:

    One more thing: there’s a great somber christmas song by the Chieftains called “The Rebel Jesus” that ends with a line something like:

    “I wish you peace, and I wish you well. As a heathen and a pagan, on the side of the rebel jesus.”

    So have a merry Chrismas everyone (if that’s OK with you)

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  • 64
    Evan K. says:

    I’m declaring a War on the War on Christmas Discussion — let’s please not ruin MSTie with political / religious arguments. The fact that you all love MSTie makes me love you all, regardless of your other beliefs. Smile

    Regarding the JOIKE sweater — drives my wife nuts. “You don’t knit a sweater from side to side!” she always yells.

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  • 65
    MikeK says:

    Maybe Gypsy made the sweater first and then started to embroider Joel’s name not long before he escaped from the SOL?

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  • 66
    Fred P says:

    One of the all time classics Santa Claus vs. Satan. It doesn’t get any funnier than that.

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  • 67
    Wilford B. Wolf says:

    On a related note, I caught an ad tonight on ABC Family for “Christmas In Wonderland”… starring Patrick Swayze.

    Do you think they’ll sing “A Patrick Swayze Christmas”? Eek!

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  • 68
    Big Stupid says:

    One of my all-time favorite eps.

    Favorite riff – “But Santa oppresses the proletariat!”

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  • 69

    “Raptorial Talon #18 – I was referring to the association of belly dancing with the Orient, not the age of those involved, you sick monkey. In fact, I did some research by watching “History of the World, Part 2.””

    Sir, I may be a debilitated chimp, but I am no sick monkey.

    ‘sides, you were the one who said it should “never be questioned,” without clarification.

    Also, you should really just relax. If you think I was seriously questioning your views on . . . erm . . . that subject, you’ve got me read wrong.

    And where can one find HOTWP2 these days? I know it exists but I’ve never been able to find it . . .

    “actually the christmas tree comes from germany. it reprensents the station of the cross. That why it always bother me people calling it a holiday tree.”

    Um . . . to the best of my knowledge, the evergreen tree tradition now associated with Christmas came from Celtic peoples way back in the day, for whom (as someone mentioned) the ability of the tree to stay green in winter when everything else died back gave it a sort of mystical power – a power over death itself. Early European Christians, rather than compete with well-entrenched local traditions, simply co-opted them into their own practices to avoid direct conflict. Same for Easter, Halloween, etc.

    “Holiday tree” is absurdly PC, however. It’s a freaking Christmas tree, damn it. No use hiding reality under euphemisms.

    “It just some people want to turn xmas into their own verson of a bland holiday. just imagine someone making your birthday a bland gerneral holiday.”

    Well, imagine on your part if someone shared a birthday with you (or heck, maybe not even), and each year they insisted that only their birthday was worth celebrating, and that yours should be mostly ignored. Not too fair, right? That’s sort of what it’s like to be a person of a non-Christian faith during this time of year . . . nearly everybody makes a big deal out of Christmas, but most of the population takes little notice of other major holidays.

    I don’t feel that way personally, mind you, but I can see where those folks are coming from. It would be all too easy to feel gypped if society acknowledged one culture’s celebration in a big way, but just sort of looked past your own every time. ‘Course, that also helps keep their celebrations free of excess commercialism, so maybe that’s a mixed blessing . . .

    “Re: the war on Christmas, I attribute it to mostly to the culture of outrage that we as a society have allowed to take root in our everyday lives. All political sides are guilty, as are the rest of us for not laughing down the people who we agree with that are perpetuating it. People who take issue with things people of any religious persuasion do to bring happiness to children, build community, bring together families, and promote peace, love, and compassion should probably take a hard look at their priorities.”

    I agree that all the conflict is dumb, but Christmas per se *is* about celebrating the birth of Christ, not the other (very admirable) things you mention – at least, not directly. They’re all sort of wrapped up in the spirit of the season, but they’re not the immediate foundation of the holiday. Or at least, not of the holy day.

    Speaking of the holy day, a careful reading of the Bible suggests Christ’s birth was sometime in April (something to do with the stars and there being new young lambs around, I think). The December date is the result of another one of those “co-opt the pagan festival” deals.

    “If we would all take a few minutes every day away from being outraged, and spend that time instead trying to learn about and appreciate each other, we might find that those folks you spend so much time disparaging are pretty decent people.”

    I applaud this sentiment and wish it would spread more widely. Kind of pointless for a season billed as being about peace, joy, and brotherhood to be filled with inter-faction tension.

    Unless one of the factions is Satan and his incompetent demons. Screw those guys.

    Also, screw Santa if he persists in keeping a sweatshop stocked with children.

    Or persists in dropping acid, as was clearly the case in this film.

    “Using pine boughs and decorating pine trees predates Christ in quite a few ancient cultures. The fact that they remained evergreen even in winter gave them a mystical quality. I think all that is just different religions stealing customs from each other and incorporating them into their own, using their own interpretations.”

    What are some of the other cultures besides the Celts (and possibly Teutons)? I haven’t heard of others practicing it, so it’s be interesting to know just how widespread it was.

    “Not sure if this is blasphemous or not, but I prefer Santa Claus to SC Conqueres The Martians. Who couldn’t love Santa vs the Devil?”

    *A* devil, Mr. Nervous Nelly!

    “The story of the miraculous birth, and the sostice celebration with evergreen, and Father Time figures with big white beards are all pagan things that the Christians appropriated and plopped Jesus on top of.”

    The miraculous birth? Really? I thought that was pretty deeply rooted in even early Christian traditions. What culture(s) are you referring to that have similar stories?

    I actually feel like I should know some, but I’m drawing a blank . . .

    “Just as modern Easter celebrations are rather strange with the juxtaposition of Christ’s coming back from the dead with Easter eggs.”

    Heh. IIRC, even the *word* “Easter” comes from Eostre, a Celtic fertility goddess. Hence the rabbits and eggs (symbols of reproduction and rebirth).

    “I’m declaring a War on the War on Christmas Discussion — let’s please not ruin MSTie with political / religious arguments.”

    Arguments? Come now. All I’ve seen is a very civil, mutually informative discussion in which people have generally taken pains to contribute meaningfully and avoid stepping on each other’s toes. MST3k isn’t ruined by this. It’s elevated, in fact, because this demonstrates that it’s something which has brought us all together despite our differences. It has shown that it can be done. (And that humor is key.)

    So, coming from a serious agnostic . . . Happy Nonconflict Seasonal Celebration Day!

    Just kidding. Merry Christmas . . . if, of course, that’s OK.

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  • 70
    Krepta says:

    One of my favorite bits in this movie is a shot where Santa is holding forth to his helpers and making a weird hand gesture– first he makes the “OK” sign, then shakes his finger; he repeats that a couple of times. Mike starts sarcastically mimicking him, not saying a word. It’s so subtle that I didn’t notice it for the first ten years.

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  • 71
    Cliff Weismeyer says:

    RT #69:

    “I agree that all the conflict is dumb, but Christmas per se *is* about celebrating the birth of Christ, not the other (very admirable) things you mention – at least, not directly. They’re all sort of wrapped up in the spirit of the season, but they’re not the immediate foundation of the holiday. Or at least, not of the holy day.”

    I think that I did not make my point exactly clear. My point is that regardless of religion or tradition, people should be happy for the people who are celebrating, not be personally affronted by the celebration. If you are a non-Christian, don’t begrudge the Christians their party, if you are a Christian, don’t begrudge others their parties. We are all harmed by people who strive to make ours a less festive and inviting society.

    My advice is that if any group is celebrating their faith and culture, be happy for them. If you get invited to a celebration, go have a good time. You might learn something. You will definately eat well. If you have never eaten a latke, or have not been to an Eid al-Fitr dinner, you are really missing out. Most of all, be appreciative of the people around you and share in the joy. That was my main point.

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  • 72
    HeatUpTheDeathRay says:

    # 71 (and the others who have expressed similar sentiments): Hear, hear! Truly wonderful to see people express such positive attitudes. Grin I knew we MSTies were a welcoming and open-minded lot! hehe

    # 49 : Odessasteps Magazine, you did a conference paper on MST3K and metatextuality? As a fellow academic, that sounds intriguing. Any chance you have a copy lying around to share? Smile

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  • 73
    MattG says:

    So am I the only one who thinks that TV’s Frank shaves his head and then uses that hair to make Dr. F’s new watch fob?

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  • 74
    HeatUpTheDeathRay says:

    The watch fob thing (MAN, I am just a commenting maniac when it comes to this episode!): notice that Dr. F takes the watch fob and makes several failed attempts to attach it to his wristwatch. (Watch fobs, of course, are intended for pocket watches, not wristwatches.) I always thought that was a clever, subtle little bit of humor by Trace (and at least one of the writers, presumably).

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  • 75
    GizmonicTemp says:

    Raptorial Talon #69 – No, I’m not mad. I’m just funnin’ with you. Grin

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  • 76

    “I think that I did not make my point exactly clear. My point is that regardless of religion or tradition, people should be happy for the people who are celebrating, not be personally affronted by the celebration. If you are a non-Christian, don’t begrudge the Christians their party, if you are a Christian, don’t begrudge others their parties. We are all harmed by people who strive to make ours a less festive and inviting society.”

    Well, I may not have made mine clear, either. See, I don’t think it’s the *existence* of the Christmas celebration that upsets some people. It’s the fact that the Christmas celebration almost totally pervades our media and our public lives around this time while other traditions can hardly get a word in edgewise. If Christmas were just one more celebration amongst many celebrations of equal stature, hardly anyone would have a problem with it. But because it’s such a huge deal in our country – socially and economically if not culturally and spiritually – people get irked at all the attention it absorbs.

    So I’d say it’s the scale of the holiday as a social institution, not its nature as a religious celebration, which causes controversy. You could almost look at it as though people don’t have a problem with the holy day of Christmas, but rather with the socioeconomic “monster” it has spawned. (And some militant Christians don’t help ease the tensions . . .)

    All that being said, people should just try to be decent human beings and get along with each other at all times of year, regardless of faith, philosophy, or their cultural or economic background. Things would run a lot more smoothly.

    “Raptorial Talon #69 – No, I’m not mad. I’m just funnin’ with you.”

    I kinda thought so, but the rollseyes smiley is among the more ambiguous emoticons. Had to be sure. Wink

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  • 77
    ck says:

    Considering the Christmas songs Joel, Mike,
    and the bots sung about Christmas, you
    wonder what tunes they could have come
    up with to celebrate Festivus Day.

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  • 78
    Timmy says:

    Watched some of this last night. The riff, “Ahhh, the classic battle between evil and the narrator,” almost made milk pill shoot out of my nose.

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  • 79
    Meadows says:

    “Oh…this is wrong somehow!” during the puppet show. Sleighs me.

    (Bad pun intended.)

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  • 80
    Preston P says:

    I utterly adore this episode. One of my top 5 and a definite Christmas staple. I always skip the “Christmas Warrior” thing though.

    Did you know this movie was featured in, of all things, “Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang”?

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  • 81
    Preston P says:

    Damn.. double post. A friend of a friend who happens to be a high school Spanish teacher was sent this episode and was absolutely floored. Turns out in a few Spanish-speaking countries this movie is like “It’s a Wonderful Life”… it’s played constantly during Christmas and she remembers parades where people were dressed like Pitch from the movie.

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  • 82
    crowschmo says:

    #69 – maybe “quite a few” cultures wasn’t quite right, but there was more than one culture besides Celts that decorated pine boughs before Christ. The Celts were the first I’d heard of, too. But there was also an annual festival during the Vernal Equinox dedicated to the god Attis, said to have been born in a cave around the winter solstice. Supposedly the son of Isis, or Cybele. Their followers called them “Father” and “Mother”. She loved her son a little too much and he castrated himself under a pine tree, which became a symbol of his sacrifice. And the followers decorated and cut down pine trees in his memory. (Sorry if this is a little too graphic for this thread).

    Back to the movie….

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  • 83
    kbrubaker says:

    Oh, what a classic!

    “Even Hell got an NEA grant” killed me when I first saw this episode.

    The narrator really helps make this a great episode too. “No Lupita!” has become one of a few catchphrase this movie has inspired me to adopt. The other is the song “The devil is a weener”, which I sing incessantly. My son watched Santa Claus for the first time a few weeks ago (and loved it), and was very surprised to discover the origin of so many of the baffling things that I say.

    As Timmy mentioned, the “battle between evil and the narrator” is an all time MST highlight.

    I must say, I was kind of bummed that CT chose SC vs The Martians over Santa Claus to re-riff. It is clearly the more fertile of the two (that said, the new CT release is very funny).

    Please, please, please release this on DVD, Shout Factory.

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  • 84
    Smog Monster says:

    This one, of course, is a perennial favorite, and I sure wish they would put it out on DVD.

    —–

    Probably because it doesn’t have any Martians in it…

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  • 85
    peteywarren0829 says:

    As strange and funny as this episode is, SVTM is my favorite of the two. I think the riffing is probably equal, but in terms of host segments this one fails to live up to it’s predacessor.

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  • 86
    Burning Hammer says:

    Awesome episode. I believe the little moustached character from the puppet show in the movie is supposed to be Cantinflas, who the MST crew have actually referenced quite a few times during the run of the show.

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  • 87
    Edwin B says:

    Such a great episode! So wonderfully strange that it’s funny on it’s own, and when you add the misting it’s gold!

    I love the Santa vs Pitch thing, and then Merlin is in it, too? Whaaa??? Pitch is one of the great MST characters, way over the top.

    And cute little Lupita. I love her stilted dialogue, like when she wakes up from her dream and tells her mom she’s happy now, Santa will bring her a present. And the debate with Pitch about stealing the doll always cracks me up! Count me as one of those who gets a lump in his throat when this little scene stealer is on screen.

    The narration is fantastic, overwrought and dramatic. I think the guy that produced the English version does it.

    *I sat at the bar all night and not one job offer!* Classic!

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  • 88
    Ransom says:

    I’m not really clear why this isn’t on DVD as I have always heard that it’s in the public domain. It would have been good to have released an MST3K Christmas DVD set with SCCTM, Santa Claus, maybe Jack frost and the Parade of Values turkey day special.

    This might be my favorite episode, I watch this more times in a year than any other episode, its so absurd I think the movie would be funny even without the riffing. I will go as far to say that (in my personal view) this is far superior to SCCTM, which has to do everything with the movie and nothing with Joel or Mike (they are equally good)

    I also have a fondness for its odd presentation of Mexico as I lived for a few years in El Paso and got to know Mexican culture as well as most gringo’s.

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  • 89
    Ransom says:

    Oh and on the Christmas thing, I’m more bothered by the rampant commercialism than anything else, we (Chirst-ians) do more damage by not fighting rampant commercialism in general (ie all year long) than than anybody else does wagging any kind of war on Christmas. We can’t have it both ways no matter how bad we want that egg nog, our efforts would probably be best spent feeding the hungry than fighting some goofy pundents on suto cable news shows. You know lead by example, and such, not lead by shouting at people.

    I never have seen Jesus as being big on Walmart etc, anyways.

    I’m off my soap box now Smile

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  • 90
    Joey Stink Eye Smiles says:

    81: I’m not sure how often it was on, but I do recall seeing “Santa Claus” on TV around 1980. And it must have been on network TV, because we didn’t have cable or a VCR.

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  • 91
    Meranalf says:

    On April Fools Day a couple years ago I wrote a positive review of five MST3K movies on my blog(of course I posted my real thoughts on the films the next day). Here’s what I said about Santa Claus:
    Santa Claus (1959)
    This whimsical tale from Mexico is a reimagining of the classic tales of Santa Claus. All the contraptions in Santa’s headquarters (it’s much too spacious and elaborate simply to be called a “workshop”) look like giant toys. It also works as a morality tale as we follow the trials of little Lupita, who must struggle against the temptations of evil to make the right decisions. Add to that cleverly worked in characters from mythology, and what results is a delightful film to be enjoyed by the whole family.

    Mike: Santa’s tendrils reach far and wide. There is no hiding from the Klaus organization.

    Wizard of Oz references:
    The Central American kids sing their song. M&tB chime in: “The house began to twitch.”

    I’m surprised they never said “Rosebud” at any time there was a closeup of those giant lips.

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  • 92
    MikeK says:

    About those giant lips . . . maybe that’s why there was no Mrs. Claus? Shock

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  • 93
    Katana says:

    92: It ate her? Shock

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  • 94
    The Bolem says:

    As much as I’d like to let the discussion of the “War on Christmas” be dropped…did anyone here see Stephen Colbert’s Christmas special?

    The first song performed was “The War On Christmas”, by some country singer (not Willie Nelson) supposedly expressing his rage at being wished “Happy Holidays”. I probably can’t remember his name due to my shock that the montage video accompanying the song contained perhaps half a minute of stock footage from SCCTM! Most notably, the first time he sings, “There’s a war on Christmas…” we see Torg the robot bash down the doors to Santa’s workshop.

    A shame that it had to be the first song, since I laughed so hard that the rest of the special couldn’t help but go downhill. Well, if the second song by Willie Nelson as a 4th wise man giving the gift of peace to baby Jesus in the form of REEFER MADNESS had been saved for later instead of the second song, that might have helped too, but I guess they needed both hooks at the beginning to keep the audience for a whole hour.

    Sadly, I have yet to see THIS ep, but hopefully SF is just saving it for their 3rd set, which I’m guessing would be out next fall, just in time for next annual-cultural-event-time. And that would be OK.

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  • 95

    “I probably can’t remember his name due to my shock that the montage video accompanying the song contained perhaps half a minute of stock footage from SCCTM!”

    There was also a brief clip from the RiffTrax short “A Visit to Santa.” It’s the one with Santa on top of a large rocket/parade float thing.

    Oh, and the country singer was Toby Keith.

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  • 96
    rcfagnan says:

    Love this one. In my top five. I can’t pick a favorite riff, but “Ah, the battle between pure evil and the narrator” is probably the one that crops up most in my life year round.

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  • 97
    emily in winter says:

    I watched this one recently after years of forgetting about it. I couldn’t believe how funny it was… and then my tape went bad in the last part and was generally unwatchable. Grr argh. I need them to release this one.

    Definitely one of my favorites now.

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  • 98
    Ransom says:

    Its up on the DAP and on youtube, but I will buy it the moment a commercial release is available.

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  • 99
    fireballil says:

    Made it five stars. I had to pull my VHS tape out to get my rememberances, so here goes…

    Poor Frank should have cut the spit curl, it was the only thing that was left.

    For my review at TV.com I wrote this header: To paraphrase Mike, if seasonal holiday depression had an official movie, Santa Claus would be it.

    My brothers used to sing ‘Alfred saved the day’ instead of ‘Joker got away.’

    Is the Newberry’s store JJ Newberry’s? I had one in my hometown when I was a kid. I loved to go there and get toys.

    Crow and Tom got in trouble for all the things they said about the kids, but I bet most of us were thinking them.

    One thing I liked J/M&TB doing that few have talked about is singing Christmas carols when music in the movies started sounding like them. They did this with a twist here: When Santa snuck behind Pitch to shoot him with a toy, Crow started humming some incidental music from Mission: Impossible, though he did it with a ‘fa-la-la-la-la.’ Tom then chimed in with a ‘Hark, are the bells, are the jolly jolly bells!’

    Fave riffs: When Lupita wakes from the nightmare, Mike says, ‘I had the ‘Nam dream!’

    Also: When Santa stares at his dome, Crow yells, ‘Hey Kringle, snap out of it!

    And: When Pedro comes in the room and leaves quickly, Mike says, ‘I’m in control now, right after wee-wees.’

    For my full review at TV.com, click here and then click on ‘Continue.’

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  • 100

    Is there a prize for being the 100th commenter? No? I thought not.

    The first 99 of you have pretty much summed this kooky movie up very well, so how about this tangent which leaped to mind after watching it again recently?

    The classic riff about the epic battle between evil and the narrator got me to thinking.

    There seem to be an awful lot of MST3K movies that had narrators, and I think a lot of the time this was done to cover up bad editing/plot holes/unclear action in the films. The Creeping Terror is probably the one for me that really typifies this reliance on the narrator to explain what was actually going on when the movie itself couldn’t.

    But in Santa Claus, and unlike in most movies which have them, the narrator really seems to be sort of his own character, with his own interest in how the plot is progressing, the morality of certain characters, the poor plight of certain other characters, etc. It’s more than a little strange and it seems out of place most of the time, at least to me.

    Might I suggest a weekend discussion thread sometime about MST3K movies with narrators, and the filmmakers’ motives for using them, and how effective they were at their job, whether that job was telling the story or whether that job was covering up the faults of the film?

    Or is that a tad too esoteric?

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  • 101
    I'm not a medium, I'm a petite says:

    I agree with you w.r.t. english language originals. But SCCTD was in Spanich originally… Was there as much narration in the original ? Was the reason for narration here simply to save money=time on dubbing ? But then we get into the whole authorship issue which kind of sucks, so please forget that I just said anything.

    I think Monster-A-Go-Go might give Creeping Terror a run for its money in the heinous narration department.

    As for a weekend disucssion thread devoted to narrators… well from a purists standpoint yes sure. But in practice IMHO we’ve had too many weak weekend DTs already ( sorry Samp )

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  • 102
    pearliemae says:

    I always get into these discussions so late. The line “No, Lupita”, said in a nice bass/baritone Santa voice – is that actually from this movie? Isn’t it from “Girls Town”, when Mamie Van Doren is saying something about not believing in prayer? Darn, I guess I’ll just have to watch both of them again. And as for MikeK: “About those giant lips . . . maybe that’s why there was no Mrs. Claus?”. I can’t even think about that. God bless us every one (if that’s ok).

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  • 103
    Cornjob says:

    re#69: check out “The 5 stages of Greek Religeon” for info on the pagon fertility beliefs and the symbolism of the sacred child. Also think of how the new year is represented as a newborn. It relates to agricultural anxiety about the winter solstice.

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  • 104
    Cornjob says:

    Sorry for misspelling pagan. The book is by Gilbert Murry (Murray?)if you want to look for it. Amazon has cheap copies.

    Merry Christmas “from a heathen and a pagan on the side of the rebel Jesus”, if that’s OK with you.

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  • 105
    Rotten as British Teeth says:

    This was another episode which affirmed that Mike was going to fit just fine on this show. Being relatively new as host, there was still that “learning” phase with him, wondering if his darker style of comedy would fit on whats a basically good-natured show. For me, Mike’s great riffing on this experiment was the final argument that he would help keep the show going.

    While Santa Claus Conquers the Martians was a generic-style holiday movie, Santa Claus was much more lively and, well, just plain “out there”. There are so many bizarre elements to it…maybe its the conversion from Mexican culture, or the fact that its a couple of generations old now, but it does have the feel of a strange dream. I know if I had seen this as a kid, the very sight of Pitch blowing on Lupita alone would have freaked me out!

    Upon first viewing, I was not very impressed with the “Merry Christmas – If That’s OK” song, which for me at the time was too p.c. for the show. (Remember, their previous Christmas show had a song about Patrick Swayze kicking a**, and essays about exploding Santas and reindeer!) It’s grown on me over the years, however, and now I realize it has a bigger meaning. That’s what happens when you grow up.

    I mentioned this in another segment, but if you have a Wal-Greens near you, look for a dvd that has both this and SCCtM, along with a couple of other Christmas pieces, for just $2. Both seem to be unedited when I viewed them. You won’t be disappointed!

    And I would love to see this released with SCCtM (yes, I know it was already released on the Essiantials dvd, but so what?) along with Jack Frost and perhaps all the Thangsgiving bumpers ever done by BB?

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  • 106
    JLH says:

    You left out one non-spaghetti ball bumper: the pan to the blackboard, as one of those short display light-up Santas gets hit by a rock or something.

    Is it me, or is there a small picture of a young, mulletted Michael J. Nelson on the wall of the “fake” Nelson Family in the Hexfield?

    My favorite riff: “It’s 4am, Santa better get a move on it!”

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  • 107
    Gordon says:

    This was one of the most crazy-ass movies EVER!

    It looks like they shaved a gorilla, stuck a set of huge, fake, white novelty teeth in its mouth and put a Santa suit on it. Yikes.

    And the deleted scenes just make the movie WORSE. (Meaning, the scenes cut from the original movie to fit into MST3K’s running time)

    Apparently, that special magic key that let’s Santa Ape break into peoples’ homes is made by Santa Ape’s special live-in Locksmith. Google Images from this movie and you’ll see the character I’m talking about on old lobby cards. He was this big, red-headed, bare-chested, half naked man!

    So – Santa Ape lives in a castle on a cloud, surrounded by nothing but children, toys, an old man with “magic powders” and a hairy, scantily clad he-man? This all makes Michael Jackson look well-balanced and normal.

    No, Lupita!

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  • 108
    Spector says:

    A classic! I love everything about this episode, which I think was much better than “Santa Claus vs the Martians”. Paul as Pitch was brilliant and I’m glad he had several call-backs in that character. The riffing is sparklingly sharp all the way through and is one of the best “Mike” episodes. I make this part of my Christmas holiday viewing for my family.

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  • 109
    Uranium - 235 says:

    More ironically, as you’ll see, you’ve got at least five key groups involved: Christians who hate the pagan imagery of trees and so forth, who deny the conventional expression of the holiday; militantly anti-religous folks who dislike Christianity and therefore *also* dislike that imagery (strange bedfellows . . .), mainstream Christians who don’t care enough about the purity of their religion to dislike the imagery; weakly-practicing and non-Christians who grew up with the holiday and enjoy it for sociocultural rather than religious reasons; and non-Christians of other religions who may or may not be tolerant of the fact that our society is awash in the imagery of a different faith for a few months each year.

    From my understanding the ‘War on Christmas’ wasn’t so much non-Christian groups trying to tear down the holiday in so much as it was loudmouth pundits like Bill O’Reilly (or whoever was the jackass on TV back then) just stirring up controversy (Sort of like how the ‘Red Scare’ was further propagated by exaggerating how they were all godless atheists and offensive to good American Christian morals – even though Russian orthodox churches are one of the strongest images of the country) – I highly doubt the whole thing really existed outside the media. Notice that for a brief time, many stores changed to ‘Happy Holidays’, but some are even today changing back to ‘Merry Christmas’, simply because the whole thing was made up.

    As an atheist my family and I consider it as it was originally – a Pagan celebration of the winter solstice. While the whole ‘war on Christmas’ thing really annoys me as political correctness always makes me roll my eyes, it’s pretty much equally annoying seeing Christians actually make such a BFD about Christmas being the ‘celebration of Christ’. Christmas trees, mistletoe, St. Nick, and effectively 95% of Christmas imagery has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus. The closest you’re going to get is a nativity scene and maybe a prayer before you eat a Christmas ham – which is ironic because Jesus, who was a Jew, would most certainly have frowned on eating ham!

    My point is that what makes Christmas ‘Christmas’ isn’t religious at all! The decorating, the lights, the luminaries, the trees, are all traditional Christmas things – the inclusion of Jesus’s birth is what feels tacked-on and forced. Remove Jesus from it all and it’s still Christmas (take it from my family). Remove Christmas and you’re left with midnight Mass.

    I mean, c’mon, as someone mentioned earlier: Easter eggs?

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  • 110

    “Merry Christmas, if That’s Okay” is one of my favorite Christmas songs, along with “Patrick Swayze Christmas” and Weird Al’s “Christmas at Ground Zero.” Grin

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  • 111
    seaburnt says:

    Well, I just watched this one for the first time (finally decided to blow off the dust of my DAP cd collection and make the transition to dvds (supplementing the rhino dvds i already have) and after about 3 or 4 times of getting as far as the start of season 4, it looks like I’m actually sticking to it this time, and so I’ve now reached here.

    Callback: Quite surprised that nobody has mentioned that during the sleigh sequence Crow says ‘Why don’t they look'(beware those innocent-looking sandwiches and lint traps), which is of course from the short on Radar Secret Service.

    Knew there was another callback but couldn’t recall, but thankfully someone else remembered it was SC vs the Aztec mummy (which i suppose is all the more poignant since it was a Mexican film, coincidence?)

    And as soon as I saw the laughing wind-up reindeer, I totally pegged it for the stinger (perhaps evoking the stinger from sinbad)

    Also loved the Gift of the Magi bit in the opening. Another highly amusing take called ‘Gift of Madge and Guy’ was done on the radio drama series Adventures in Odyssey, done entirely in rhyming scheme (and terribly bad puns)

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  • 112
    WWWoBW Boy says:

    Still adjusting to the evil of Santa Claus…. OMG Tim Allen’s Santa Claus 2 and 3 copied this movie!!!

    Realized this christmas that the Tim Allen Santa Claus 3 : The Escape Claus and Santa Claus 2 : is largely a derived (same movie) as the Mexican SC.

    Jack Frost (SC3) = Patch (Mexican SC)
    Creepy Santa Claus Toy duplicate (SC2)= Santa Claus wind up reindeer toy (Mexican SC)
    Child like elves (SC123) = Children (Mexican SC)
    Mother Nature and Molinator (SC 2&3) and Smart Elf = Merlin (Mexican SC)
    Weird and Spooky Toy Equipment (SC 1,2,3) = Weird and Spooky Tou Equipment (Mexican SC)
    Plot SC3 – Bad guy to destroy meaning od Christmas = Plot Mexican SC – Bad guy to destroy Christmas

    Tom Servo : Like father, like son … think about it …..

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  • 113
    Dan in WI says:

    So if Frank didn’t sell his hair to buy Clayton’s gift, why did he shave his head?

    I like the opening caroling disaster. It’s light and funny and lasts just the right amount of time.

    There was a lot of talk four years ago about how this gift exchange was so awkward. But they really don’t play it that way. At least it didn’t sound like forced polite thank you’s to me.

    I like Dr. F’s description of the movie “It’s a thoughtful well shot documentary of the Crimean War.” That sure would have been less horrific.

    I enjoy the Santa Klaws sketch. The band really captures the essence of an 80’s power pop group but Frank and Clay steal this sketch as concertgoers.

    I love the confrontation between Santa and Pitch in Deep 13. The highlight is the adapted They Live quote: I’m here to eat candy canes and kick ass and I’m all out of candy canes.

    Favorite Riffs:

    During the Parade of Nations:
    Crow “Hey could we move on to a country with some rhythm.”
    Mike “If seasonal holiday depression has a soundtrack this is it.”
    Narrator “The South American group includes Brazil and Argentina.” Mike “and few other countries not worth mentioning right now.”
    Narrator “The countries of Central America” Mike “Are a threat to Santa’s vital security interests.”

    Mike “Lucifer is like Satan…from Hell.”

    Santa is showered in mail. Crow “There is a dollar in everyone. My chain letter scam has worked.”

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  • 114
    swh1939 says:

    Dan in WI — I always saw it as the watch fob IS Frank’s hair.

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  • 115
    robot rump! says:

    ‘i’m positivly E-vil!’

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  • 116
    Sitting Duck says:

    In his review, Andrew Borntreger speculates on who lives in the other two castles we see, suggesting perhaps the Easter Bunny and Father New Year. Personally I suspect they were meant to be the abodes of Merlin and Hephaestus (whose scene got cut from the MST3K version).

    I’m guessing Crow’s eyes popping out and Tom’s head coming off were not deliberate but got left in since it was appropriate for the scene.

    The nods to the religious aspects of Christmas in the film were a bit unexpected as, in my experience, Santa Claus films tend to be aggressively secular.

    Does anyone have any idea what that puppet show in the film is about?

    Callback: Why don’t they look?

    Favorite riffs:

    Santa flew twenty-three missions over North Korea.

    If seasonal holiday depression has a soundtrack, this is it.

    They’re the same kids from the other countries. They’ll be playing the Egyptians next.

    I suppose Hell got an NEA grant.

    Santa’s laughter mocks the poor.

    Now Pedro, did I tell you to summon demons.

    There’s a dollar in every one. My chain letter scam worked!

    It’s from Kadaffi!

    A pentagram and reindeer laughing. You figure it out.

    It’s like having Dom Deloise sneaking up on you.

    Why is our waiter stripping, honey?

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  • 117
    touches no one's life, then leaves says:

    #10: i don’t want to get on a rant

    I think I speak for several of us when I say “good job.”

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  • 118
    Sitting Duck says:

    That should be Gaddafi.

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  • 119
    I'm not evil just good looking says:

    This is one of my favorite Mike episodes. The riffs are great, the host segments are great, and the movie is like one long hilarious acid trip.

    Merry Christmakwanzakah (thanks to the Dan Band) if that’s OK.

    For those wishing it to be released, it is on Shout! Factory’s Volume XVI.

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  • 120
    touches no one's life, then leaves says:

    #18: the fact that our society is awash in the imagery of a different faith for a few months each year

    ?

    During which months is our society NOT “awash” in Christianity? Unless I’m mistaken, around 75% of Americans identify themselves as Christians.

    #94: The first song performed was “The War On Christmas”, by some country singer (not Willie Nelson) supposedly expressing his rage at being wished “Happy Holidays”.

    Since “Happy Holidays” is supposed to encompass ALL holidays of the season, it sort of IMHO makes those Christians who object to that seem like they’re angered by the notion of being treated like everybody else.

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  • 121
    Dan in WI says:

    [Does best Shatner] Must…. REsist….. Urge…. to get sucked into the War on Christmas/Holidays debate/fight in this thread.

    It’s just a show. We should really just relax.

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  • 122
    robot rump! says:

    after having just watched this ep. i have to say the Crimean War is very different than what i remember from school. and just to throw another log on the fire, i took ‘merry christmas if that’s ok.’ as a companion piece to the ‘spy who hugged me’ from double 007. a jab at 90’s uber PC social nonsense.

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  • 123
    Droppo says:

    If there was ever a first ballot Hall of Fame episode….it’s this one.

    In fact, the Comedy Central double-feature of Santa Claus Conquers the Martians and the premiere of Santa Claus was what made me a fan of MST3K. I remember loving SCCTM (as its legions of fans refer to it) and then being surprised that there was a different host in the following episode (I had no idea of any backstory at that point other than the 1 episode I had just watched and the 2 theme songs). Maybe that’s why I’ve always loved both Joel and Mike. My introduction to the series was back-to-back classic episodes featuring each of them.

    And what a classic this one is….first of all, the movie itself is so lovably goofy. Santa lives with international child laborers in outer space with Merlin and battles the Devil? If that’s not a premise for a MST3K film, I don’t know what is.

    The riffing is among the best of the whole series. There’s not one flat sequence and so many memorable moments:

    The “aggressively cute” Lupita.

    Pitch’s introduction dance: “Try it again.”

    The whole opening sequence riffing on every country.

    roughly quoting from memory:
    Lupita’s Mom: “Maybe Santa did not have a dolly”
    Lupita: “Yeah, bull!”

    I love this episode. It’s my favorite Mike episode and always in my top few episodes overall.

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  • 124
    Brandon says:

    I just watched this the other day.

    “That IS a mouth isn’t it?”

    Santa stuck in a tree with an attack dog barking at him, and Santa wimpering, “MERLIN! MERLIN!” is just hilarious, and so ridiculous. It sounds like it should be a scene from a bad Seth Rogan film.

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  • 125
    Cheapskate Crow says:

    Merry Christmas/solstice festival/Kwanzaa/Festivus everyone! I don’t remember this episode as being that great but I will watch it this weekend after seeing all the good reviews here.

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  • 126
    Trilaan says:

    Last year I watched this with some friends who had not seen it before and I came out with a riff during a quiet moment that has since become legendary among my friends. Relating to the kid who wants a baby brother or sister, I riffed, as Santa Claus: “Ho ho ho, don’t worry, little boy, I’ll just squeeze one out of my womb.”

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  • 127
    Trumpy's Dad says:

    #124
    You mean a scene from a Seth Rogan film. Smile

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  • 128
    Watch-out-for-Snakes says:

    When we skipped over this episode a few months back in the Episode Guide, I was hesitant to do so, just because I’ve been watching the show sequentially for the first time these last few years and I didn’t want to break the run. But I did, because I thought it would be holiday appropriate to wait until December.

    Honestly, this episode plays second fiddle to SANTA CLAUS CONQUERS THE MARTIANS, which is the supreme MST3k holiday classic, in-my-opinion.. I watch SCCTM every year at Christmastime, and have done so since about 1995. SANTA CLAUS, on the other hand, I sporadically watch during the holidays. Watched it last year, but not the year before. It just doesn’t have the same Christmas-mojo that SCCTM has (for me).

    Now, SANTA CLAUS is a pretty great episode though, but I have to admit to finding the last third of the movie kind of a drag (despite the bizarreness of the movie), and also the Host Segments aren’t very good. Well, I take that back. HS#1 is no good, the song “Whispering Christmas Warrior” is terrible and evidence that (sometimes) Mike cannot sing. I do have to admit that the cutaways to Dr. F and Frank (“Yesss!”) are funny… HS#2 is just kind of. . . meh. HS#3 is a winner though, the song “Merry Christmas, If That’s Okay?” is a rival (but not better than) “A Patrick Swayze Christmas.” Also, Mike sings a lot better on it than on the previous song, whateverthat’sallabout.

    RIFFS AND THINGS:

    During the opening failed attempt at a song, during the madness, Crow’s eyes pop out of his head, landing perfectly on the table, practically staring at the camera (kinda). What are the odds?

    Servo: “Joe Don Baker IS Santa Claus!”

    Crow: “I think David Byrne stole this music.”

    Crow: “Bring it all ho-ho-home, kids!”

    Mike: “I’m positively EVIL!”

    Crow: “Now this is good old fashioned nightmare fuel.”

    Crow: “Ah! We got dolls!”
    Mike (pointing): “The ‘Trilogy of Terror’ dolls!”

    Servo: “This isn’t charming at all, it’s creepy.”

    during the ending,
    with Paul dressed up as Pitch,
    TV’s Frank: “More pie, man-goat?”

    Then Santa busts in and paraphrases ‘They Live’ :
    Santa: “I’m here to eat candy canes and kick ass, and I’m all out of candy canes!”


    Paul as Pitch is great, one of the best characters in MST-idom.

    This episode has grown on me over the years,
    I give this one 4/5 laughing, mechanical reindeer….

    Devil Devil Devil Devil

    Merry Christmas everyone! (if that’s okay..)

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  • 129
    ck says:

    Off topic, but I just saw a report where some airline is thinking of
    letting passengers text on airlines but not talk (too annoying for
    other passengers). So a picture arose of the Crawling Hand enterpreneur
    walking down the aisle calling out “No talking on cell phones, not allowed.”
    And that would be one unattractive flight attendant.

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  • 130
    Smoothie of Great Power says:

    I commented on this on my old handle last time, but I do love how two of the more obscure references are made within seconds of each other, both done by Servo:

    “Strange Brew!” – Refers to an 80s movie starring Rick Moranis and Dave Thomas as Bob & Doug MacKenzie: Two lovable hosers from the Great White North who get caught up in a scheme to take over the world using drugged beer. It’s also very loosely based on Hamlet, eh.

    “Flaming Moe’s: – A 3rd-season Simpsons episode of the same title where Homer reveals his secret recipe to Moe in order to bring business back to his tavern, and eventually steals the credit for it, creating a rift in their friendship.

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  • 131
    Bombastic Biscuit Boy says:

    [Pitch shivers by the chimney] “Oh Santa, I need some stuff, man! Just a taste…come on, man!”

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  • 132
    Bombastic Biscuit Boy says:

    Look, if you have a problem with our messed-up American Holiday Season, you can just go down and practice your piano lesson!
    Merry Christmas, Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, Yule, and Boxing Day, folks!

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  • 133
    sol-survivor says:

    This is the only MSTed movie I ever saw in a theater, back when I was 5 or 6. My mother swears she doesn’t remember taking me and my little brother, and he doesn’t remember it, either. Even after the memory of seeing the movie faded I would sometimes get images in my head of dancing devils, falling flowers, and giant lips on the wall and not know where they came from. I don’t remember if I ever thought of the most disturbing reindeer of all. I probably blocked it out. When I sat down to watch this episode when it premiered I was suddenly having 60s flashbacks for different reasons than most people have them. Shock Despite my childhood trauma I really enjoy this episode and have a double feature with it and SCCTM every year.

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  • 134
    Depressing Aunt says:

    “We are forced to sing…”

    It’s Christmas time, kids, them’s the rules.

    LOVE all of this one, but the all the bits on Santa’s international helpers will always be the best part for me.

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  • 135
    Jason says:

    Sadly, scud missles have made a recent comeback. The Syrian government is using them against the rebels trying to overthrow the regime.

    Sorry for the downer moment. Uh.. hey look, an endless fountain of cats!

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  • 136
    fish eye no miko says:

    Just as an interesting bit of trivia, the movie Rise of the Guardians features Santa fighting Pitch… Big Smile

    “Every year we gotta sing the fruity send-off song–no wonder the elves quit!”

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  • 137
    Stefanie says:

    This episode is a hoot! The hilarity keeps coming, and their song is actually pretty. Overall, way more enjoyable than the other Christmas episode.

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  • 138
    Grognard says:

    Hey mysties,haven’t been here in a while. Just want to wish everyone a Swaze Christmas!

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  • 139
    Grognard says:

    Oh Poopie! Sorry Patrick, I meant a Swayze Christmas!

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  • 140
    Max Keller says:

    “Personally I suspect they were meant to be the abodes of Merlin and Hephaestus (whose scene got cut from the MST3K version)Personally I suspect they were meant to be the abodes of Merlin and Hephaestus (whose scene got cut from the MST3K version)

    That’s funny, I always felt the one thing that ‘Santa Claus’ lacked was a scene with a Greek smithing God.

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  • 141
    SOL Daria says:

    @116 & @140 This recap below from WrestleCrap (for those unfamiliar, a site covering the worst of pro-wrestling, but there’s an annual Bad Xmas movie induction – I discovered the horror that is A Christmas Story 2 through it) speculates that too and covers some of the scenes cut from the MST version, including a longer Merlin scene and the Hephaestus scene.

    http://www.wrestlecrap.com/classic0b.html
    (warning: link will either go to a different recap or be dead due to site revamp a month after this posting)

    And this one covers a short that mashes up clips from this movie and some new stuff. (same dead link warning applies)
    http://www.wrestlecrap.com/newinduction0b.html

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  • 142
    Cornjob says:

    Am I the only one who thinks that Santa’s eye telescope looks like something from the 50’s version of War of the Worlds? Have a very Salvador Dali Christmas. If that’s OK with you,

    John

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  • 143
    Kenneth Morgan says:

    OK, late comment. As just plain odd as this movie is, it’s still nice to see Lupita stay good and get that doll at the end.

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  • 144
    Gorn Captain says:

    Anyone notice the robot suit from “The Robot Vs. The Aztec Mummy” is in the movie? It’s lurking in Santa’s lair…

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  • 145
    Kali says:

    #6 Hey, GizmonicTemp. Every time I try to click on your name, it pops up the GeoCities page saying never heard of you. The computer is confused.

    Ancient Chinese secret: Never confuse computer – it needs neither the help nor the competition.

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  • 146
    Strummergas says:

    Gonna keep this short but sweet as this comment is a week late. A good episode, but Santa Clause Conquers The Martians is way better. I watch that one every December. This one every few years or so.

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