So, this weekend’s question: If they WERE going to all get together and do something, what form would you like that to take?
My vision is an extra-long (meaning more than three internal host segments) direct-to-DVD episode in which, through some sort of time travel plot (I’ve always thought the starting point might be that extra Crow that got left behind at the cheese factory in TIME CHASERS, though I’m not quite sure where you go from there), all the characters would end up interacting.
My idea is that, with each theater segment, more and more characters would be in the theater until, in the final segment, both Crows, both Servos, both Gypsies (would Pat Brantseg hold out for the big bucks?), Joel, Mike, Dr. F., Erhardt, Frank, Pearl, Observer and Bobo would all be there together (man, the line-assign would be murder!). I’d want a short AND a movie, but right now I can’t think what they would be.
Too much? Not enough? Got a different idea completely? And what movie should they do? Let’s hear it.
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I agree on the extra-long part, probably want to do a double feature to give more room for segments. Maybe do “Gigli” and “Swept Away.” Pretentious celebs and bad scripts are always good fodder.
But to really make it work I’d want to see as many references to the gang itself as possible. Like in the theater, if you have Mike and Joel together, Mike could do a sight gag, and then you could have this exchange:
Joel: “You can’t do those anymore, huh riff-boy?”
Mike: “At least my crew can sit down.”
Stuff like that.
Hmm,if there was a grand convergance,I’d want it to Mst3k ish.
Like maybe we could have it open,and they could be in a paralell universe.They wake up,and see that servo,Crow ala Bill,and Mike are there.Then we go to deep 13,and its Dr F and Frank,who begin as usual,when Bobo comes into the room,and agitates Dr.F,much in the same way he does PEarl(A little site gag for the die hards lol)
Then PEarl,Observer,and Dr.F a;; get into a fight,while frank andbobo play,cuz they seem like theyd get along.
And during this fight of the smart people,one of them presses a button,and it takes all of them to deep 13,where joel and Mike are talking about the cheese factory,where,as i turns out,they both worked.
Dr.F,in his panic grabbed a video of his videocase,and when everyone makes fun of him for liking a bad movie,they all decide to go watch it.And maybe for each host segment,Different characters could doem,.
I agree,we should have more than three,but we could have a joel and comp Dr.F and Pearl both tell Bobo and Frank,speratley,to turn the episode off.and at the same time,Bobo and Frank could press the button.
It flows much smoothly in my line of vision lol
The original concept and entire group was so great, I wouldn’t mind what it is. Riffing through portrayed characters sitting comfortably in theater seats and being sarcastic has much better appeal to my humor senses. Also, such a pool of writers would likely accomplish some strong, whacky writing.
Hmmm. What I always imagined was something like a string of theater segments ala the Shorts compilations but longer. The beauty of Shadowrama being that they could be “Lost” segments that could fit in with the old show. No signs of aging with the human characters, just newer jokes. To satisfy the different taste in fans, it would go in order of cast. First with Joel, Trace and Josh. Then the addition of Kevin and so on. The cool part would be that every writer would participate in the whole thing. The writers would tailor their writing to each specific “era”, which would be a challenge for them and fun for all around. Just imagine how cool it would be for Joel to be part of the writing for Corbett’s Crow for instance.
But anyways, I know it’s not really MST without the host segments but for a release this far off from the end of the series…
Besides, it’s better and a little more inclusive than what probly would have been had Joel got his way pre-CT. ie. an MST with the CT lineup – as fun as that would be.
Last year I thought maybe they could double up a movie where Cinematic Titanic riffs a movie but their version is accidentally sent to The Film Crew by Bob Honcho, (there would have been room in the CT version for The Film Crew to also riff on the film so there would 8 commenting on one film) during The Film Crew host segments they would find another wrong delivery with the ‘Bots inside, Bill would pick up Crow, Kevin would pick up Servo, at the end, the Titans show up and Josh and Trace do their version of the voices before Jim, Paul and James Moore show up to confiscate the bots; Paul and James do their version of Crow and Servo and Bill, Trace, Kevin and Josh all shake their heads. However, The Film Crew is, unfortunately, no more and the cartoons are, thankfully, ended.
I thought something similar of your vision. They are watching a time travel movie (or a movie that takes place over a period of time) and as part of the joke: each host segment is a version of the show. Opening: KTMA, Intro: Season One, HS1: Season 2-5, HS2: Season 5-6, HS3: Season 7, Ending: Season 8-10.
I also often hoped that at the end of the show, Mike got that overnight cook job and now works for/with Joel at the Hot Fish Shop, Cambot is with Mike & The Bots and that Gypsy tucked away some shares for Joel, Mike and the Bots even though she thought they said no to her offer.
One more idea: maybe for the 25th anniversary of Blood Hook, Jim & Kevin could do commentary of the movie (serious and riff style) and as part of a special edition, the Titans get to do a version as does Rifftrax with Mike, Bill, Patrick, Paul and Bridget.
That’s all I’ve got.
Considering how the Brains never seemed to take the internal continuity of the show too seriously, I can’t see them bringing every incarnation of every character together for an epic storyline. However, since each character has a counterpart, why not get some mileage out of that? Let’s see Dr. F and Crow interacting in the same scene, for instance.
I think the focus of any kind of major event would have to be the movie riffing. I’d like to see them do a double feature (or pair of episodes, or whatever) with my favorite genres of MST films (such as TV “movies” which are just episodes of some canceled failure slapped together and ’70s/’80s-era sci-fi monsters from space movies). Nothing from mainstream Hollywood or the bottom of the Coleman Francis barrel. A new short would be nice too, but Rifftrax has filled that need for me rather nicely, so it’s not as much of a requirement.
Two words: live show
Two more words: DVD release
And I wouldn’t care what movie/tv show/YouTube clip they chose, I would buy it.
Oh, and the live show? National tour, please!
Thank you.
Let’s see, in the realm of the “doable” I would love to see some Rifftrax duos! Ya know, Mike and Joel, Trace and Bill, Kevin and Josh, MaryJo and Kevin (since it hasn’t been done yet). I don’t think it’d be easy to slide any of the Rifftrax team into CT because it’s already so full. Now for the dream project, I think I’d like to see something heavier on host segmenty story line (a la Dr Who “The Five Doctors”). It would have to be lighter on movie riffing just to make the thing a watchable length. Unless they wanted to do a mini-series (also a very cool thought!) The riffing segments would contain various “wacky” combos of characters so there would never be an overwhelming number of bodies in the theater. Ah, it’s fun to dream! I somehow doubt there ever will be a collaboration though :-(
My head’s still stuck in the weekend thread from 3 weeks ago I guess, ’cause all I can think of at the moment is that if the grand reunion was a Christmas special, they should do “Santa Claus and the Ice Cream Bunny”, with “Candy Claus” and possibly some older PD stuff for shorts.
For the host segments, I’m not sure about RT, CT or TFC being directly referenced. I could see everyone waking up from cryo-sleep in the wreckage of the SOL, with no idea how they got there, ‘bots, mads, and all being tormented by a mysterious force compelling them into the theater in ever greater numbers. I’m not sure who their mystery nemesis should turn out to be in the end; Jack Perkins? Crow’s mom? The ghosts of all Forresters past? The guys that put Mike on trial for destroying all those planets? Coily? Jim?
Well, have some sort of incredible twist/reveal at the end. Even if it can’t quite have continuity with anything.
Well, approaching this problem from the other end, what would we want this massive ensemble to riff? One easy choice is the Holy Grail and untouchable pinnacle of bad movies: “Plan 9 From Outer Space.” But…..frankly…..it’s too easy. To give everyone their proper due, I say tackle the 3 hour “Alan Smithee” version of Dune. Yes, I actually liked Dune, so the suggestion will be sacrilege to some, but this version of the movie is long enough to give everyone a nice slice of the pie. Also, the vision of the film is so “out there” that there should be plenty of riffing opportunities. Any other movie suggestions?..
I like Speedy’s idea of hanging a meta-verse reunion on “Blood Hook”, since it’s precisely the goofy, low budget film (cf. “Hobgoblins”) that worked so well, and it has this glorious meta quality to it. A DVD with both a Rifftrax and CT version (with perhaps some crossover for good measure) would be icing.
Granted, I think even Troma has let this film go out of print, so no clue about who owns the rights at this point…
Dunno about putting everyone together in the theater at the same time – gets a little busy for me …
Here’s a thought – how about we cast all of the various brains in a low-budget sci-fi/horror/action/cop/sword’n’sandal/musical flick. Then we get Gallagher, Yahoo Serious and Joe Don Baker to riff on it … or maybe not.
Ooo! Ooo! Mr. Kotteah! Mr. Kotteah!
OK, so here’s my idea.
First, a standard “Mental Hygiene”-type short, maybe “Manners in Public,” or “ABC of Babysitting.”
For the feature, what I’d really like to see is the demolition of a beloved classic like “The Maltese Falcon” or “The Birds.” That might be too risky, though, so I’d settle with “Invaders from Mars” or, maybe best of all, the original “War of the Worlds” (the hero’s name, for those who don’t know, is Dr. Clayton Forrester).
I think for the wraparound, the deal could begin with the entry into the wormhole from #816, PRINCE OF SPACE, and suddenly the guys (Mike, Crow2, Tom2) see Another SOL outside, which contains Joel, Tom1, and Crow1. Hilarity ensues. Each group of bad guys contacts them during the different host segments. Gypsy could be the only one who can keep track of the different realities.
I like Sampo’s idea of the crowded theater, but my original thought was to simply alternate, or have different “teams” in each segment. It would be easier to write for, and with Sampo’s approach, I think the movie would get lost somewhere. If we wanted to go for a super-long episode, we could show each clip twice, first riffed by Joel, Tom1, and Crow1, then with different jokes by Mike, Crow2 and Tom2. I think that would only work for crazy hardcore fans like me, though.
For the feature event why not my favorite
move: “The Vikings” (Tony Curtis, Kirk
Douglas, etc.).
And btw, that’s PROFESSOR Bobo, a respected
scientist on a planet where apes evolved from
people!
What I miss is the sense of them talking to each other, rather that joke, joke, joke. Little throw away gags, Joel putting his hand on Crow’s shoulder to let him know he’s gone too far, and Tom whispering thing like the Scott Hamilton joke from Master Ninja II.
Here’s how I’ve always envisioned a return of the series. First we see a large crater. Upon closer inspection, it’s a crash site – the crash site of the old Satelite of Love, deep in the Australian outback or somewhere (I don’t know where they originally crashed at the end of the series, but let’s say that perhaps the ship “bounced” or something.) Now the camera’s zooming in on the crash… closer, closer… way way closer… and we see THE NANITES!!! Hard workers, these little guys have been persevering through many labor strikes and union troubles to gradually rebuild the Satellite of Love, and to replicate Crow, Gypsy, Tom Servo, and Cambot. Remember their original “quest” when we were introduced to them was world domination – they see the logic behind using really bad movies towards this end. Their plan… use their duplicate bots to trick and kidnap Mike Nelson, or possible Joel Robinson, and get the experiment going again. Their leader – Shelley! Once the Satelite is launch-ready, they’re off to find a Forrester to head the up the experiments again (possibly Pearl – who’d be all excited to see the fully functional “Satellite of Love” ready to launch)… but ultimately Shelley’s just using her for her own purposes… Their first film could be “The Devil’s Daughter” starring Shelley Winters, Joseph Cotten, Abe Vigoda, and Jonathan Frid of “Dark Shadows” fame. There’s a creepy themesong that sounds like a slowed down version of “He played knick-knack”… Anyone ever seen it?
While I guess there’s zero chance of this happening we can always dream. Even though it would make for a crowded theater environment, I would want all the possible riffers in the theater at one time the whole time to get the maximum value.
How do they get there? What if all the cast members in a fairly long host segment find themselves trapped in some place together. After the usual strange banter and antics everyone gets forced into the theater to watch the truly awful movie. The following host segments, besides focusing on the obvious hilarity of putting all these myriad characters together (I see Crow enlisting Frank in an escape attempt, while Pearl teaches Gypsy about booze and cigarettes,), would focus on who trapped them this time. Obviously the suspicions would fall on the Forrester’s, but as they are trapped too it can’t be them. In the end it is revealed that some “great scion, an elder statesman,” of the Forrester clan has trapped all of them. Sort of a grand-pappy, grand progenitor of the Forrester line. Who would play this person? I think you have to go outside the current players. My vote goes for Christopher Walken. Unlikely? Sure! But what isn’t about all this?
Oh, and Walken’s henchmen would be Mike as Torgo and Paul as Pitch. The ultimate Forrester would only hire the most evil and the most lame as help.
As for the film, I would definitely want some kind of short, and you would need a longer film to riff. Waterworld comes to mind, but something sci-fi/fantasy would probably get us the best mileage.
As I mentioned a week or so to go, I’d love to see them riff Godzilla: Final Wars. It’s 2 hours long plus you’ve got just the weirdest stuff going on.
Perhaps the movie I most want someone to do is the Rankin & Bass (yes, the guys who did Rudolf the Red-nosed Reindeer) Japanese, made for TV movie The Last Dinosaur. While only 90 minutes, it has a wonderfully fakey dinosaur and Japanese cavemen! Also, you get a performance from leader actor Richard Boone (playing a big game hunter named Masten THRUST!) which I think would go down in riffing history as one of the funniest things ever seen.
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#5 Speedy:
I had a similar idea. And never mind the why: just open it with someone’s voice (Kevin’s?) intoning, “Listen. The Satellite of Love has come unstuck in time.” And away you go.
And the traditional four sets of movie segments conveniently break down to one each for the KTMA/Season 1, 201-512, 513-706, and SciFi riffers.
Or they could do a variation of the “crowded theater” approach, but with just the six regular riffers. (Even with six, they’d need to make the silhouettes smaller. With everyone who’s ever been a regular on the show, they’d get positively KTMA-esque.) I can imagine Joel, Crow, and Kevin’s Servo coming into the theater after HS2 (that’s the one after the first movie block; the Intro is HS1), and being surprised to find Josh’s Servo there. JS: “Hey, who’s the new guy?”
But I guess that kind of accumulation of riffers would give short shrift to the later ones in favor of the earlier ones (e.g., Bill’s Crow would be in only one block, with five co-riffers, while Josh’s Servo would be in all four, starting with only two co-riffers).
Maybe they could do a longer movie, so that there’s a fifth movie block to be the grand riff-o-rama, and a concluding host segment with the bridge as stuffed as Groucho’s stateroom.
Continuing to think about my idea in #18: In HS5, the Sci-Fi cast can be puzzled about what a weird and inconclusive ending the movie had (since they’d be used to this being the end of the experiment). Then, after a sketch, they’re surprised to get Movie Sign again.
They go into the theater, and are stunned to find… Joel and (making their first theater appearance in the episode) the KTMA ‘bots, in opposite order than usual, on screen-left (so Mike and the Sci-Fi ‘bots don’t overlap their silhouettes as they come into the theater). So we get the full evolution, from KTMA to Sci-Fi, especially with the two Servos side-by-side in the middle.
Oh just bring back MST3K and let them riff movies until they are all sick of it. CT and FC are all the children of MST3K, these are all MST3K type shows, so just do it again either direct to DVD or maybe there is a channel out there that would consider filling a 2 hour slot. Crow, Servo Joel and Mike in the theater with Dr F, Pearl, Frank and Dr Erhardt , Bobo ,Brain Guy. When Kevin is Servo, Josh can be Dr E. When Josh is Servo, Kevin can be Servo – just keep alternating. Keep Trace as Crow 95% of the time. The show was not really about continuity other than a weekly episode,so who cares who plays who. The scifi channel tried to make it a continuity show with the 8th Season but it failed miserably. So just bring back MST3K and keep on riffing until none of them can do it anymore :)
Er, when Josh is Servo, Kevin can be Bobo I mean oh pooopie :mrgreen:
As far as how to manage the plotline for host segments involving everybody, I’ll leave that for smarter folks than I. My thinking only goes so far as something involving Tom Baker.
As for the main feature involved, it doesn’t necessarily have to be something awful. MST3K also used movies that were pretty good, but odd as all get out (i.e. the Russo-Finnish fantasy movies). By that score, “Dune” would be a good choice. But, as I see it, for something like this you need a movie epic enough and riffable enough to justify such a gathering.
My choice: “The Ten Commandments”.
Or, as per happy in post #20, just do a whole season’s worth of shows with everybody eventually showing up.
Yikes. I think I’m one of the rare MSTies who’s really quite content to have the camps stay separate.
However, if both the CT and Rifftrax gangs were to get together and do some riffing, I think would have to be under a completely new format. In other words, not under the guise of an episode of either of their respective projects.
Sampo,
I like your idea, so to run with that:
Short- One of George W. Bush’s “Barney” Christmas videos (Must be in the public domain, so not much they could do to stop it – short of extradition to Gitmo).
Movie- Ishtar
Two iconic failures, roasted by two great crews…
I couldn’t tell you what scenario would be best for getting them all together, but some movies I’d pick would be Ed Wood’s ‘Glen or Glenda?’, the notoriously bloody Kung Fu flick ‘Story of Ricky’ or ‘Fantasy Mission Force’, an obscure little Hong Kong film featuring Jackie Chan that truly must be seen to be believed.
Either a CT / Rifftrax crossover, where the Rifftrax gang take over the CT set, and the CT gang have to re-take it, but in the end everybody ends up on the CT set riffing the movie. It is sort of a ship, isn’t it? So some pirate story could work.
Of course, the Holy Grail is a new MST3K episode. I suggest bringing back Arch Hall Jr. He did other movies besides the great Eegah, and I am sure they would be fantastic for misting. The jumping off point is the ‘Last of the Wild Horses’ episode, where the ion storm messes up the space time continuim and time traveling characters end up interacting, and everybody ends up in the theater.
One other possibility is a road trip movie, inspired by ‘Quantun Leap’ where the old and new crew end up visiting great MST characters like Torgo, Mikey, Ortega, Phantom of Krankor etc..
Sampo,
You’re idea is good except that if you gradually add more performers with each theater segment, then the beginning performers get more screen time than those who follow up the rear. You could have it so that with each host segment plot something happens so that the cast morphs, starting with Josh morphing into Frank in Deep 13 and Servo’s voice altered from Josh to Kevin at some point. Mid way through, Mike would show up along side Joel for at least one host and theater segment (keep it brief to keep us fans wanting more, lol) with Kevin and Trace voicing the bots. Then gradually morph to the sci-fi era lineup. This also might make it so that a performer’s screen time is based on the amount of screen time they had on the show. Bridgett and Paul could also be making cameos throughout. But I would suggest keeping it limited to no more than four performers in the theater at any one time….maybe five. CT does it with five, so that could probably work without collapsing into a cluster f*ck.
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I like the idea of a time-rift where the two groups are brought together. Or maybe they just all happen to re-unite at the same place at some date in the future.
Heck I’d love to see Frank and Dr F doing just about anything… Man do I miss Joel also. Sure Mike is great and all, but Joel, Frank, and Dr Forester all had an awesome chemistry in the early years, maybe just because it was the early years and everything was fresh. But yeah, if they did just about any kind of reuniting thing I would buy it.
My suggestion: do a MST3K reunion special and sell it to TV. Then release an extended version with additional riffs and host sequences on DVD. The cost of syndicating the special to TV would help defray the cost of production, and the existence of additional footage (plus other bonus extras, presumably) would make it more attractive for fans to purchase on DVD.
They already do full-cast collaborations together (R
-Rifftrax & Cinematic Titanic. Personally, I’d wish they’d stop because everytime they riff another movie on Trax or Titanic the original show (Mystery Science Theater 3000) gets a little less special .
#9 – Apparently the mysterious nemesis forcing them all into the theater is US! :shock:
It’ll never get off the ground.
Too many riffers, I think. Maybe some kind of live event where they are all just throwing some riffs out would be best. Five million people in the theater on a TV screen would be overkill, I believe.
But we all have our little fantasies of how we COULD get a new incarnation of the show to work.
What I thought of, way back when the last show aired on CC, before it was definite that they were going to SciFi:
The Laserblast episode was a prophetic dream that Crow had that Dr. F was going to pull the plug on the SOL. He frantically tells the others all about it, and of course is made fun of for thinking such a stupid thing that Dr. F would ever stop his lame experiments. Then, it starts to happen. So M&TB start thinking of ways to escape.
The hows are too long to put in here, I had thought of a whole bunch of host segments and ways they could do things, with each of them contributing to the escape, including Gypsy and Cambot. (I hadn’t had a movie in mind, just the host segment parts).
Anyway, Dr. F’s reasoning for pulling the plug was that the experiments were taking too long and not working.
His new idea: an army of robots. Hey, it’s in all the world-taking-over-scenario movies, right? Must be the way to go.
Dr. F (in a “crazy me” tone): “Taking over the world by showing bad movies — what the hell was I thinking?”
Cut to M&TBs, mouths agape.
He shows them his prototype: Jr. (A name badge on his chest – “JR” – get where this is going?)
Anyway, all sorts of wackiness, and the robot displays some destructive habits – One would think he was trying to sabotage Dr. F. Hmm.
Can’t explain everything here, but Dr. F. and Pearl end up on the SOL, and M&TBs end up in Deep 13 and the robot turns out to be Joel in disguise – he’s saved them!! (This was before his guest stint in Soultaker as the SciFi era hadn’t happened yet). He had shut down Dr. F’s original robot and taken his place in a lame robot costume. (Think Santa Claus Conquers the Martians).
Dr. F: “You think this is over? This isn’t over! – I’ll get you, Joel Robinson! And your little ‘bots, too!”
Joel: “Oh, bite me, it’s fun.”
Crow: “Joel’s back, and this time it’s personal.”
Joel had been trying to get back to save them since crashing in his escape pod, but a series of wacky adventures prevented him from getting there too soon. Things that you can’t explain he got out of, kind of like those old serials they used to watch, where the next episode everything was fine and they had gotten out of the jam without showing it. (The man now has some issues).
This is getting too long. Anyway, the following week of the series, it was Dr. F and Pearl who were forced to watch bad movies on the SOL, (but remember, Dr. F had built it and he’s plotting escape himself).
But we don’t see them, we see J, M&TB’s in Servo’s new abode (Joel had come into lots of money on his travels) which looks alot like the SOL. Joel is perplexed, Servo doesn’t understand why. He thinks it’s just fine. Crow follows Joel everywhere, he has abandonment issues. They are about to watch a really GOOD movie together for a change, they have to, there are network obligations, :roll: so they agree to do that on air. Something they think is “Citizen Cane” or “To Kill a Mockingbird” or of that ilk. Thinking they won’t have to riff, and we can all sit back and watch with them and enjoy. Mike brought the movie, and they realize the kid at the video store put the wrong tape in the case (this was when people still went to video stores, remember?)
Aaargh! So we get to watch all four of them, Joel and Mike together, riff a stinker of a film.
Scifi did pick up the series, so I had to account for Bill, and all that so – Dr. F and Pearl escape the SOL, recapture our heroes, split up – Dr. F and -TV’S FRANK!! – (cloned from one of his spare heads) Dr. F: “I brought you back from the dead, Frank – shut up and get over it.” – go after Joel, with Crow in tow. He left a duplicate on the SOL with Mike and Servo (Bill), and Servo sends one of his duplicates (Josh) over to Joel and Crow. (I never really figured out the two SOL’s). And I guess there would have to be two Gypsys and two Cambots, too. ?????
Pearl thinks her son is a failure and splits off to pursue Mike and the bots.
So, every other week, we either see the old cast or the new.
Ta-dah!
Too much time on my hands? Oh, a tad.
I wish I had written the host segments down. I remember parts of it.
As for what they could do today and include all of them? Who knows. But I hope something interesting comes up in the not too distant future.
Whew! Sorry! Made you read. :wink:
I agree with everyone saying that it isn’t about the continuity of the show. MST3K was at its worst when it was (at least in my opinion) trying to tell some sort of story. We can watch large chunks of the eighth season to tell that. Not only that, but they never seemed that invested in a coherent continuity beyond the basic setup and occasional other short fun.
So, that said, they just throw them all in in various combinations, and perhaps in a final ten minute segment of everyone in there for fun’s sake. If they can do CT with five people, then they can pull MST3K with six. Or at least throw everyone a bone just do a movie segment with Mike and Joel.
I’m kind of sick of the time paradox stories — latter Red Dwarf series and Star Trek: Voyager have run them into the ground, through the Earth’s core, out the other side, up into space, and into the Sun for me.
I kind of like the Nanites idea (#16).
I also had the idea that maybe Pearl had lied :shock: about the death of Space Child Dr. F and she actually just didn’t have room for him in the car after stocking up on Chicken in a Biskit so she left him at the store.
So now he’s grown up with the powers to resurrect his experiment (and TV’s Frank!), and he knows what went wrong the first time: no control group!
So he pulls back the original SOL crew to be his test group, and the later crew to be his control group.
The movie segments switch between the original crew riffing a bad movie (a la CT…) and the later crew riffing a good movie (a la RT…)
Thing is, he recreated the SOL perfectly, which means some communications equipment Pearl never bothered to throw away starts working, and she reaches the obvious conclusion: Her son is back, and he’s being naughty again! So she collects Brain Guy and Bobo and goes to confront the rascal. Hilarity ensues.
The only downside to this idea is that they have to have a bad and a good movie to riff that are otherwise similar, which ruins the other idea I had this afternoon: VH1 had a show on the top 10 Duran Duran videos and for some reason I couldn’t help but wish for an MST3k treatment of 80s music videos…
Another spark: a two parter about with a story similar to Slinding Doors (not plotwise, I mean two alternate dimensions in one movie). And the lyrics change slightly. In the not too distant future, a universe away…
then have Joel, Crow (Trace), Servo (Josh) and Gypsy (Jim) on the SOL, with Pearl, Bobo and Observer sending the movie. In the second half: Mike, Crow (Bill), Servo (Kevin) and Gypsy (Patrick) on the SOL, being tormented by Dr F & Dr E. As a stinger: it was a all a dream by Frank.
Yeah, sure, we’d all love to see it, but it’d be way too convoluted and gimmicky. These are all some really creative fanfic fantasies, though.
I think the only way you’d ever come close to getting all of the main cast together at one time is through either Rifftrax or CT. Those are really the only formats where they could all participate – albeit as themselves and not as MST3K characters – without any convoluted premises or fictional space-time continuum plot contrivances.
But given Joel’s public remarks about Rifftrax, it seems far outside of the realm of possibility that he’d ever do one. And CT seems to have their cast set in stone, so I don’t see them adding Mike, Kevin and Bill to their already busy silhouette for a one-off.
But hey, you never know.
make a reality tv show w/all of the cast, put em’ in a big mansion. then make em’ watch bad reality tv all day long…I’m sure the riffing would be good.
also if were doing questions for Joel, He knew Kevin Murphy since MST3k started running, why isn’t he in CT, any hard feelings because Kevin is w/rifftrax?
I think the more people you have in the theater riffing the less you’d hear from each person.
I liked an idea that somebody (I forget who) thought up before: Having both versions of the casts do their own take of the movie. But with a twist.
If we’re going to go for the whole “explanation” as to how all the cast members show up out of “continuity”, then how about one of those wormhole anomalies. It would cause the various cast members to switch places during the course of the movie.
The ULTIMATE thing I’d like to see though (And I wish it was something they could have done with the Soultaker episode) is have both Mike and Joel in the theater riffing at a movie.
Or just stick with a simple double version of the film. Joel era cast doing their own take of the movie, and then the Sci-Fi era cast doing their take of the same movie.
Heck, skip all the production values, they could do the Rifftrax/Film Crew method and do “Commentary tracks” with varying cast members.
With whatever idea, the question remains is, which movie would they do? I’d say they should do Jim Mallon’s film Blood Hook, it’d be too rich!
And I agree, there has to be a short attached to the film. For that I can recommend the ULTIMATE short. It’s called the Red Nightmare. It’s an old Warner Brothers educational film commissioned by the US Army. It’s a cautionary tale warning people of what happens if they take their liberties as Americans for granted. Essentially it follows this guy having a nightmare about America being taken over by Communists. It’s hilarious Cold War propaganda at it’s best. Oh, and it’s narrated by Mr. Twilight Zone himself, Rod Serling.
One thing is for sure, if they did do something with everyone in the theater, it would have to be in wide screen (Like the Movie This Island Earth) to be able to see all the seats that would be necessary to accommodate everyone.
How about just a fun special for a future DVD release. Joel wakes up on the SOL and says he dreamed that he got shot out of the satellite by Gypsy and some big blond guy took his place and humiliated himself repeatedly and was chased by a girl and a monkey and that guy from Powder. Then Mike calls in on the hexfield viewscreen, some kind of inter-reality connection thingie, and they chat and… um … exchange cookie recipes?
Something like that. It was good to see Joel on the SOL set for the 10.2 replacement disk explanation. Course, they could just have a slumber party and watch bad movies and do what comes natural.
How about tag-team riffing? Think about it, Joel, Mr. Idea Man.
I think the movie would have to be THE GREEN SLIME. ‘nough said. :mrgreen:
I love the nanites angle, but there’s ONE evil entity that would tie in with them that you’ve all forgotten about…TIMMY, Crow’s evil alter-ego. The nanites have a soft spot for Crow since he gave them a home in the SOL to begin with. Timmy takes command of the nanites, and they totally go for his evilness (after all they DO want to take over the universe).
Wow. This is a really huge concept to get my brain around it. I like to see them do a real clasic film. Frankenstein with Karloff or Forbidden Planet. But the sad reality is that this has a 0.0000001 chance of happening. I’d love to be proved wrong though.
Yes, involving the nanites is one of the best ideas anyone’s thrown out.
As for getting up to 20 riffers in the theater at once, I think there’s an obvious solution: So many complaints about the cop-out of messing with time/wormholes/dimensions; what they need to mess with is GRAVITY! Say that some modifications have been made to the artificial gravity on the SOL in order to install seats on the theater’s sides and ceiling as well, allowing 360 degrees of riffers from every edge of the screen! Two Gypsies could reach from the floor and ceiling to high-five–er–bonk each other in congratulation on a particularly good riff, popcorn and other props could be tossed to and from any position, etc. It’d be a lot more difficult to coordinate, and require much more sophisticated FX than plain ol’ shadowrama, not to mention look freakin’ bizarre, but that would make it even more special!
As for what to riff, I’ll suggest Al Adamson’s early ’70s “Dracula vs. Frankenstein”. As Cult Flicks and Trash Pics points out, there are so many cliched plots crammed into the same movie, it’d be like a smorgasboard.
Just do something together already. Just alternate time dimension slide into something that works and do something. I figure that once they do one they will all get the fever and start up the band again.
I’d go for something simple:
An episode of Cinematic Titanic (where we can see ’em all), and at the start, Joel announces that he’s got some special “film experts” in to “help us with this one”.
Enter Mike, Kevin and Bill, who take seats all around the set (Kevin next to Josh, Bill next to Trace and Mike across from Joel).
Then they riff the movie as per usual.
For an ultimate msted film, i nominate the 1952 Best Picture winner- “The Greatest Show on Earth”. Charlton Heston Cecil De Mille, Jimmy Stewart, and a cast of thousands.
All right: here’s my pitch:
We open with Mike and the bots on Earth, preparing for their weekly TV watching tradition (as seen at the end of Danger: Diabolique). Things get strange, as more and more visitors drop by: Gerry and Sylvia, Nuveena, Jack Perkins… until the apartment looks like an outtake from a Fellini film. Mike, disoriented, wanders into the bathroom. He hears the sound of running water. going to the shower, he opens the curtain, discovering… Patrick Duffy!
Cut to the SOL. Mike, having been asleep on his feet, is jolted awake by what he’s just seen.
CROW: What’s up, Mike? It looked like you were dead to the world just now.
MIKE: Yeah, I zoned out there for a minute. And I just had the strangest dream. I was back on Earth, and you were there, and so were you, Tom, and…
TOM: That’s nice, honey. Now push the button. Pearl and the gang are calling.
Pearl is preparing to send along the movie “Horror of the Blood Monsters,” an Al Adamson joint. Looks like Phillipean horror footage with a cheap wrap-around (featuring the always-dewy John Carradine). Money must’ve run out on the new sequences, since those are augmented by even cheaper exposition scenes, and finally, an opening narration.
Mrs. Forrester is having a bit of trouble herself, since she’d made a diminutive clone of herself to help out around the castle. She called the clone “Mini-Pearl,” and is now being sued by the Grand Ole Oprey. Before she can send the movie, amidst sturm und drang, we get the appearance of… Dr. Clayton Forrester!
PEARL: Clayton, is that you? I thought I strangled you.
CLAY: Oh, motherrr. I was a space baby! You can’t get rid of one of those that easily, what with having highly evolved powers and such. How did you think you survived the centuries to become Lawgiver of your little monkey friends?
BOBO: Hey, we were apes! And I still am!
PEARL: That was you?
Clay explains that evolving as he did, he had gotten bored with hanging around the labs, and made Pearl believe that she had killed him, giving her immortality as a side-effect. This freed him up to roam the Universe, soaking up the local color, and trying to complete his collection of poisonous fungi. Eventually he got restless again, got TV’s Frank out of his Soultaker contract, and used him as his herald, having him seek out new entertainments and diversions.
CLAY: The trouble with that is that Frank’s idea of a good time is stopping off at Pinkberry’s for frozen yogurt.
TV’s FRANK: Hey, I don’t make excuses for myself. I am what I am.
CROW: Popeye?
The upshot is that Dr. F has come back to earth to pick up some of his things, drop by to say “hi,” and prepare the Earth for total annihilation. His method of destruction? Death by Bad Movie! He’ll keep the experiments going until he finds the Anti-Movie: the cinematic stinkburger that will rob people of all hope. He will then transmit that movie on a continual loop through the world’s satellite systems, 24/7, on every channel.
To expedite the search, Dr. F beams in Joel, Larry, and alternate editions of Crow, Tom, Gypsy, Cambot and Magic Voice, and pops them into a duplicate SOL on the opposite side of the Earth. TV’s Frank and Larry are charged with subjecting Team Joel with the usual filmic torment, and Pearl, Brain Guy and Bobo handle Team Mike. (The antagonists who find the magic movie get to live.)
TV’s FRANK: In that case, I want to be on Pearl’s team!
CLAY: Shut up, Frank. That’s just creepy.
It’s up our jumpsuited heroes to prove that no movie can completely break the human spirit!
Yeah, it’s basically a re-boot of the series with everyone coming aboard. Wanna make something of it?
Please?
…and ALL the Cambots.