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Did we max out on comments or what? Was interested in reading a lot of celebratory comments interspersed with….not celebratory ones.
Weird. I guess another comment was needed to get the previous ones available.
Just pretend I’m not here.
okay jon – you’re not here! heh… it don’t surprise me if everyone just passed out from plain mst-overload bliss… whew, i hope the crew took a weekend off; it was exhausting enough for me to just watch you all do it through to the end! (heh and i’m on the bit-younger-than joel and the rest of the oldbies around here…) but it was also exhilarating – brilliant; heart-felt, heart-warming, dare i say? in all the best, most basic senses. don’t worry about the tech-diffs of pulling off such a hugely multi-cast telethon; it was just too much to ask of the net “live” – too much stupid “volume difference” issues with live-skype-style stuff. it just ain’t the same stuff as what can be dealt with in-studio over the time over a production; doing the tap-dance live over the air… that was a hoot!
you know along with over-the-air channels here in the midwest like “me TV,” there is also two other similar channels called “COZI TV” and “this TV.” i don’t know if they’re at all related, but whoever has the best spread, might be fun to try to get for antenna-TV action. seems like all these channels lately like to show super-cheezoid flicks like “ski party” and (atm) “the christmas that almost wasn’t,” i couldn’t help but notice and try to pass along!
those who “pooh-pooh” (yes, pooh! pooh-pooh!) such ideas as over-the-air broadcast, think of all the younglings out there who don’t even get dish. i think back to ye’olden days where i grew up, which probably still doesn’t have any standard cable-reach.
i know the feeling’s going around… it’s like the best early xmas present ever eh? i can’t wait to see what joel and co. come up with next.
Hey, Frank, thanks for the reply and the info. Movie riff + cartoon short riffing sounds like a really fun combo, I really liked the various fan posted bits of Cartoon Dump I have been able to see online in the past. Here’s hoping someone books you in the Twin Cities this coming year.
If you’re talking about the Kickstarter image of Patton, that wasn’t his doing. It was Joel’s. Here’s what Joel said on Kickstarter:
“…I asked a graphics friend to create an image that sort of cloned Patton into someone who would look like Frank’s son. I think the image turned out great.”
Who knows what Patton will actually look like on the show?
Good point!
On the other hand, I know that during some of the double-features last week Joel plugged Trace and Frank’s show. He’s clearly rooting for their success, even if they’re not coming back to be a part of the new series. (Also, they’re performing as “the Mads” and making pretty free reference to MST3K, something that might not be possible if Joel was inclined to be a jerk about it.)
Again, I think it’s probably not a good idea to play, “Let’s Guess Who’s Secretly Pissed With Whom”. If anyone concerned wanted us to know how they felt, they would tell us clearly and unambiguously, and speculating about bad blood seems likely to cause misunderstandings and ill will.
It certainly is more expensive, and certainly involves different things, but that doesn’t mean it can’t be done, nor does it mean it would not be profitable to do.
As I said before, I suspect part of this is that the folks involved are better at the creative end (the “Show” in show business) rather than the business end of things. They are definitely leaving money on the table if they don’t market these shows on video. I well understand why it’s easier not to do so, but I would hope that if they don’t have the temperment to try that perhaps they can interest some other business oriented friends to help out.
Shout would be ideal — they are working with Joel, they know their way around rights management, and they could then make money off the resultant video. I’m going to guess that if Trace and Frank wanted to enough, they could very well enter into *some* kind of deal with them, even if it meant that video release would be well after their run of shows (the other thing that happens with live stuff like this is the material has a “shelf life” that expires after you release it on video. Similar to what happens when they avoid making a movie of a successful Broadway show, or a comedian avoids using his show material on national television. They can perform in dozens of different cities with the same material, so it gets to be a somewhat lazy — only somewhat, mind you — way of entertaining, with only new material needed after you’ve exhausted the cities you can perform in).
Even if they came near me — unlikely as I’ve explained since there really isn’t a college near by — I’m not sure I’d go see them (and that alone is a self-fulfilling prophacy) because as an old guy live entertainment isn’t my thing. Kids with cellphones annoy me no end… “Get off my lawn!”.
So perhaps someday I’ll get to see a video of their act, as I’m sure it’s great. They are both very gifted performers, and I wish them the best.
Well – I hate to tell you this…it probably does. CT would live-riff public domain movies so that they could later release them without rights worries. If “The Mads” wanted to do that, they would probably have to either select PD movies, or get the right pre-approved for a video release. Since it sounds like they are doing Ed Wood movies, I think getting those rights are highly unlikely.
I’m pretty sure Plan 9 is PD, but I don’t know about the rest of the films they’re doing, let alone any they may plan to do in the future.
Most of Ed Wood’s movies are in the public domain.
Except that Trace and Frank already had to riff Plan 9 for one commissioned appearance, and Twittered to the effect of, “yeahh, I know, wasn’t our idea…”
Although the dreary CT’s were mostly public domains, from what we’ve heard of the surviving Brains, they’re not that hard up enough to go back to the Ed Wood well, which, TBH, has sort of had it after the Burton movie sort of brought the level of discussion down. They’ve done the “essential” Bride of the Monster, but there’s little left after that, and only extreme name-dropping would force them to do Night of the Ghouls.
(Insert “Oh, but what about Violent Years and Sinister Urge?” Mike-fan comment here–Uh, yeah, it’s the Joel-produced series we’re talking about, they don’t just crib their school reports out of the Golden Turkeys book.)
We should have a montage of people doing spit takes while reading EricJ’s comments.
Joel would most likely approve
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_YXLWEAKFo
I’ve decided EricJ is conducting an elaborate performance art piece.
I’m sure that trying to get the rights to non-PD movies for a LIVE riff wouldn’t make sense — but it sure would for something on video.
Wake up, folks — Shout has proven it can be done, even with films we NEVER thought would get released for MST3K. Were all “The Film Crew” films PD? I doubt that as well (and, if so, that proves there are definitely films out there ripe for the riffing).
It really boils down to do they want to make the effort, and I think clearly the answer is no. I can understand this because actors aren’t, in general, the best business people out there. But it’s very sad.
Shout! does it, yes. But they have people in their organization doing that. If we are talking The Mads are Back here we are talking the side project of two guys. Could rights be acquired? Sure. Do Frank and Trace have the time or resources to do it? Maybe not.
This comment is evil!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=221bApOP8dE
Dan,
That’s why I said Frank and Trace ought to partner with Shout — makes perfect sense. Just cut them in and they’ll do the work.
And I also think they won’t just because they AREN’T the business type but the performing type (although their agents really ought to be pressing for this. Quite possible their agents are clueless, though).
I’m still holding on to the theory posited months ago by someone that EricJ is Mike Nelson trolling this site.
That would be fantastic. If somehow that was the case, it would be a manipulation on the level of Keyser Soze.
My theory was EricJ is actually Tom Shales, who else could be so rabidly anti-Mike?
Maybe the girl who stole Mike’s keyboard…? ;-)
(Besides, if I was really Mike, the disguise would keep slipping, and the posts would keep mentioning minimum-wage waiters, Shia LaBeouf, geek-baiting Trek:TOS references and the Star Wars Holiday Special five times a post…Just like if it was Kevin, there’d be Tolkien references all over the danged place, and if it was Bill, they would be nothing but corny 80’s lyrics. Keep guessing.) 8-)
I think it’s Gypsy — all of Eric’s posts sound like they were written by a female (and a young one, at that).
Just imagine Eric writing about Richard Basehart and you’ll see what I mean.
LOL!
I’m hoping for ‘the long con’, namely that all the seeming infighting is just a ruse and when the new episodes come out – BAM! Mike, Trace, Frank, Kevin, Bill, Jim etc… all appear in episodes as a complete surprise.
A man can dream, can’t he? A man can dream…
That’s EXACTLY what Troll-Mike would say!
Well, golly. What a victory! And the volume of comments has certainly convinced me that right won the day. I’m sure Jerry Seinfeld’s cameo was worth more than having Trace and Frank back.
Yeah sure, Beez and Paul are on board, but with the emphasis on the new and shiny, will they have a chance to have major input or will the current “what’s hot right now for Joel” contributors blow them away? But given the size of the writing staff which was fawned over as a selling point Paul’s voice will probably be drowned out, which will be sad.
Most of all I can’t stand what went on with Frank. That photoshopped spitcurl on Patton Oswalt’s head is just a slap in the face to one of the true talented voices of that show.
Joel wanted the show on and pulled out all the stops. And left the rest in either Rifftrax or in the dust. Good for him. What a grand moment. I can’t wait to support Frank and Trace’s efforts in riffing if for no other reason than to get the bad taste out of my mouth with this reboot.
But whatever! Hey there’s Bill Hader and Mark Hamill! Whooo!
I’ll start by saying I still have faith that the new MST3K will be fun. But that faith is tested every time I read the Twitter feeds of some of the new cast. Regardless of politics, I don’t see much in the humor department comparable to what we see in MST3K. Casual cursing and crude, sometimes vile, sentiments. Is that what their audience really wants? Cringe-worthy. Joel seems so out of place with these people. It can’t just be me seeing this? I hope I don’t end up regretting that I helped fund the new MST3K. One more thing: Being from Wisconsin and living there all my life, the Midwestern humor was a big part of the show for me. I’m encouraged a couple writers are from the Midwest, but I wonder if their voices will be muted by the, shall I say, “louder” voices of some of the other writers/actors?
Everyone involved – most notably, Joel – seem to totally understand what makes MST great. The tone of every KS video was perfect. Everyone involved is a fan of the original series. They’re also playing and writing for specific characters on a show Joel has pledged to remain family friendly. As Tommy Wiseau might suggest, I wouldn’t worry about it.
I tend to agree with you concerns… one reason I keep my distance from Twitter. But, that’s a soapbox I WILL NOT ascend today. ;-)
I’m with Droppo, though… it does seem that many of the folks involved really do love the show, so I’m optimistic that they’ll want to stay true to its roots. With Joel’s assurances, and with his steady hand at the rudder, hopefully they’ll maintain the same general ethos most of us appreciate. But of course only time will tell.
I’m not sure I know what you mean by “crude, sometimes vile, sentiments.” Could you produce an example or two? I follow Jonah, Felicia, Baron, and Hampton on Twitter and–while I’m not the most dedicated Tweeter/Twittererer/what-have-you–I haven’t seen anything that seemed at all beyond the pale. As for cursing, yeah, there’s the occasional s-word and f-word, but that’s hardly unusual on Twitter and, as others have pointed out, that’s not likely to make the jump to the new season. I’m not trying to be difficult, I’m just genuinely baffled by the accusations of their being “crude” and “vile.”
Yeah, I hate it when people are totally predictable in their comments.
Missing from Otto von Cheesebiscuit’s lengthy and acerbic post @676: any acknowledgement or concession that anything in his lengthy and acerbic post @41 turned out to be wrong or off-base.
When a person is presented with new facts but does not change his opinion, then that opinion is not based on facts.
Umm, how? If Patton’s character was ‘Observer Erhardt’, I would say, yeah, he’s got a point that they completely ignored Frank’s sizable contributions to the show. But a visual homage is a slap in the face how, exactly? Does anyone else feel it was an insult to Mr. Conniff?
Cheesebiscuits it turns out, can be really crusty, stubborn little pastries.
That was a pretty good string of misses, wasn’t it?
I found myself thinking about this possibility while I was trying to sleep last night. The less said about that the better.
But I concluded that it would be very unlikely that Mike would remember his own contributions in as much detail as EricJ does. I seem to remember the writers often struggled to remember old episodes when they tried to create the ACEG. Personally, I tend to forget unpleasant memories. It’s a legitimate psychological defense mechanism. A lot of these movies are really bad, so like most jobs, you tend to remember the good people you worked with rather than the grueling nature of the work.
It would be a beautiful performance art piece, but I just doubt that Mike would remember all that older stuff, especially with all he’s done at Rifftrax in the past decade.
I have a similar suspicion about Joel’s KS campaign. Joel thanked the campaign manager at the end of the telethon. I would wager that most of the in-joke references–experiment titles and such, even the introductions for the films during the double features–were written mostly by that campaign manager rather than Joel.
It’s not that Joel doesn’t love the show, it’s just that a creator and a fan have different perspectives. The creative types usually keep trying to be creative. That means looking forward instead of looking backward.
Whichever way it went down, the campaign was masterfully managed.
Yeah, for someone who professes to hate Mike, EricJ has a surprisingly broad, deep, and up-to-date knowledge of his material.
Very possible. I think it’s likely that Joel went back and re-watched the bulk of the series over the past couple of years since he returned to the property and started planning the relaunch, but I also think he probably had help writing the references and in-jokes, as you say.
I’m antsy to see the next update, and to find out when the downloadable goodies will be available*, but Joel and everybody else on the campaign have certainly earned some rest and some downtime. And I suspect they’re still not getting it, because there’s a lot of stuff that still needs to be done: getting ready to start production, meeting with interested distributors, fabricating and quality-testing the physical rewards and then putting them into mass production, and so on.
* Though, again, I think it’s pretty likely that the server will go down under the demand, unless they’re forward-thinking enough to use BitTorrent to distribute the files; lots of people are resistant to BT on principle because it’s so commonly used for piracy, but it really is the best tool for the job if you’re distributing files to a large group of people.
Then again, maybe I’m wrong; it could be that they’ve shored up their bandwidth and their servers are prepared for the level of demand they’re going to get. (It’s not as if all 50,000 backers will claim their rewards at once, and some won’t claim them at all, but I do think there’s a dedicated base, numbering in the thousands, that will try and download everything — all available episodes and the soundtrack — all at once the moment it becomes available.)
Hi, guys. What’s going on?
Not much. How’s your week going?
Pretty good.
This is the final post in this thread.
if the MST3K relaunch is anywhere near the quality level of Ash vs Evil Dead or The Force Awakens, I’ll be more than pleased.
Come on, we can make it to 700!
The Dude: It’s like what Lenin said… you look for the person who will benefit, and, uh, uh…
Donny: I am the walrus.
The Dude: You know what I’m trying to say…
Donny: I am the walrus.
Walter Sobchak: That f***ing b**ch…
The Dude: Oh yeah!
Donny: I am the walrus.
Walter Sobchak: Shut the f*** up, Donny! V.I. Lenin. Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov!
Donny: What the f*** is he talking about, Dude?
I am the walrus.
In not certain there has to be a final word on this, but if there does, I think we can all agree that the final word is:
Boogers!
Frodo signed off, now I got to find someone else to play Boogers with me…
So wasn’t joel supposed to do some big post funded project update a week ago? Was he too awestruck by episode 7?
you can see more information about this project on the following site:
http://www.kicksp.com/joel-hodgsons-project-on-kickstarter-bring-back-mystery-science-theater-3000-2/
I imagine he’s pretty busy about now, as I said back in @687; there’s a whole lot still left to do as far as getting ready to start production (contract negotiations for the cast and crew, renting a space, etc.), trying to line up a network, and getting Kickstarter rewards squared away. Still, yes, he announced on 12/14 that he planned to have an update the next day, and it’s been over a week, and unless we get a surprise update tomorrow, it looks like not even the digital rewards are going to be available by Christmas. (And even if that last-minute update does happen and they do show up tomorrow, see my earlier comments about how if they’re not careful there’s a good chance their server will go down when everyone tries to download their goodies at once.)
I’ll acknowledge that’s a little disappointing, but I’m patient, and receiving some digital downloads was not a prerequisite for my Christmas celebrations. If I have to defer my gratification awhile because Joel and co are busy getting their ducks in a row for the new season, then I expect it will all pay off in the end.
one more…
We are now all officially members of the “700” club.