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Episode guide: 701 and 701T- Night of the Blood Beast (with short: ‘Once Upon a Honeymoon’)

0701s

Short: (1956) While her songwriter husband struggles with a difficult tune, a newlywed dreams of redecorating her house with phones.
Movie: (1958) After his rocket crashes, an astronaut discovers he is carrying alien embryos.

Turkey Day bumpers
1: Dr. F. is at it again, planning to rule the world using his collection of MST3K experiments. His mother is stopping by later, and he wants to rule the world before she gets there. Then, Jack Perkins arrives. He explains that TV’s Frank invited a bunch of guests for Thanksgiving dinner months before he was assumed into second banana heaven.
2: Mr. B Natural pops up.
3: Pitch appears.
4: The Kitten With The Whip arrives.
5: Dr. F is unhappy until he hears piano stylings of Michael Feinstein.
6. The party continues but nobody hears Pearl banging at the door of Deep 13.
7: Pearl arrives. She’s upset that Frank is gone but joins the party.

Turkey Day host segments–aka 701T
First shown: 11/23/95
Opening: M&tB rain sports cliches on a baffled Gypsy
Intro: Dr. F.’s party continues with Pearl providing the movie
Host segment 1: Crow and Tom present: “Stuffing vs. Potatoes”
Host segment 2: “Art” and Pearl have a chat
Host segment 3: Thanksgiving dinner on the SOL and in Deep 13
End: Tom is mincemeat; Pearl’s “Turkey surprise” is a hit in Deep 13
Stinger: “Wounded animal that large isn’t good”

Regular show host segments
First shown: 2/3/96
Opening: Crow and Tom are concerned about their personal security, so they taze Mike
Intro: Dr. F. has a traumatic trombone recital, but Crow shines
Host segment 1: M&tB sing about decorating with phones
Host segment 2: Pearl makes Dr. F. apologize
Host segment 3: Crow claims he’s pregnant with shrimp babies
End: Crow’s rant about babies disrupts Mike’s attempts to read letters; Pearl wants Dr . F. to act like a baby
Stinger: “Wounded animal that large isn’t good”
1 Star2 Stars3 Stars4 Stars5 Stars (163 votes, average: 4.48 out of 5)

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• I want to start out by saying that, when we last discussed this episode, a number of commenters dreamed a wonderful dream that someday Shout!Factory would release this episode with both sets of host segments and the Turkey Day bumpers included. That dream came true in December of 2009, when “Mystery Science Theater 3000 Collection: Vol. XVI” was released with this episode, and all the extras that were asked for. Thanks, Shout!
• Also, we are proud to point you to our EXCLUSIVE season-seven continuation of the Amazing Colossal Episode Guide, here on this site. We paid good money to get these! You’re welcome. Read them! Mike talks about the main episode here and Bridget offers some thoughts on the Turkey Day version here. Now on with the discussion…

Turkey Day bumpers
• Of course, there’s no way any of the following Turkey Day bumper sets could ever rival the fun and delight of the first one, but these were okay. They got the job done and there were some genuine laughs.
• In the third segment, Dr. F says “I will rule the WORLD!! AHAHAHAHA!” almost exactly like he does in the opening of MST3K the Movie.
• Mike’s song goes on too long.
• Mike is hilarious as a smitten Jack Perkins, prepared to “change teams” if necessary to the enjoy the pleasures of Mr. B Natural, and Bridget is equally funny as a guy who isn’t really into what Jack has in mind.

The Turkey Day host segments:
• According to our records the host segments, that debuted on Nov. 23, 1995, ran three more times, on Dec. 2 (at 5 p.m.) Dec. 3 (at 10 a.m.) and Dec. 4 (at 2 a.m.). So that makes a total of four showings.
• For the record, the stretch between the end of season six and the beginning of season seven was 243 days (more than eight months!), the second-longest amount of time MSTies had to wait between episodes. (The stretch between seasons 7 and 8 was the longest.). Fans were jonesing bad.
• Of course, we have new theme song lyrics, mostly involving changing the personal pronouns from plural to singular, reflecting the departure of Frank. There’s also some great new footage in the opening.
• The opening is fun and breezy, with poor Gypsy trying to make sense of M&TB as they spout endless sports cliches.
• Why does Pearl call Crow “Art?” [Deep breath] Calling Crow “Art” is an obscure BBI in-joke. During a host segment in episode 203- Jungle Goddess, Joel was introducing the ‘bots at the end of a sketch in the same manner Jackie Gleason used to use at the end of his TV show: bringing out each cast member to take a bow. In fact, when he got to Crow, he got so into the Jackie Gleason premise that he introduced Crow as “Art Crow!” much as Gleason would yell “Art Carney!” when introducing his long-time co-star. Well, apparently some little kid saw that, didn’t get the Jackie Gleason reference, and assumed that Crow’s name was actually Art. That kid wrote a letter to the show, which was read in episode 402- The Giant Gila Monster. The letter included pictures of each of the robots, and the drawing of Crow was labeled “Art.” When Pearl calls Crow “Art,” it’s a reference to that. [Exhale]
• The stuffing vs. potatoes bit is very funny. “Nature’s Bouncing Betty…”
• Although Dr. F would be browbeaten and henpecked by Pearl — to the dismay of some fans (see below) — this season, the two also seem to work reasonably well together, working together to defeat the unpleasant guests.
• I had forgotten Pearl’s hilarious “Turkey Surprise” recipe: “Bake at 200 degrees for one hour and then rub with a turtle.” Brilliant.

The regular episode:
• This was the first new episode (sort of) in six weeks.
• If the scenery looks familiar, it should: Yes, this was another movie featuring exterior shots done in Bronson Canyon. Other movies where that location was used include: “Robot Monster,” “King Dinosaur,” “It Conquered The World,” “Viking Women,” “War Of The Colossal Beast” and “Teenagers From Outer Space.”
• Note that in the background of the redecorated Deep 13 is the projector from Deep 13 set of MST3K: The Movie.
• The opening, with the bots torturing Mike for no discernible reason, is the beginning of what will be a season 7 running theme.
• Ah, the trombone recital. The beginning of all “the troubles” in the view of some folks (again, see below). I will be honest: I laughed. I thought it was pretty funny and I think Trace and Mary Jo do a great job in the scene. But not everybody thought so. Another reason there was some dismay about this segment came later: the outtake that appeared in “Poopie 2,” when it appears that Trace actually was injured slightly during the filming. A bit disturbing.
• Crow’s solo is the same song — “Getting Sentimental Over You” — that our hero plays at the end of Mr. B Natural. And, hey! Crow’s arms work!
• Nice job on the prop trombone that constantly shoots spit.
• Pearl again calls Crow Art.
• Pearl makes several references to wishing she’d had a girl, topped with the announcement that Dr. F’s two middle names are “Deborah Susan.”
• The short is a gem: One of those weird promotional things that never actually comes right out and says what they’re selling.
• The little song “Line em up against the wall and pop goes the weasel,” is from “Duck Soup.”
• Crow mispronounces Ray Manzarek’s name.
• During the riffing they do a parody of Eddie Bauer — “comes in loden, pant and twerp” — that they would expand on in a later episode.
• I love Tom singing the sign in the movie.
• One riff, “We learned not to send Polacks into space” caused a small kerfuffle after the episode aired. Some felt it was an uncharacteristically mean-spirited riff.
• A couple of times they make a reference to “undercupping.” Read the “A Modern Woman” section of this site, for an explanation of what that term means.
• The whole “Steves” running gag was funny and all, but there was only one character in the movie named Steve. Don’t really see where it comes from, is all…
• Okay, I want to address what happened in the fan base when Pearl arrived and the whole dynamic in Deep 13 changed. What happened, I believe, was an unfortunate disconnect between the writing staff and the fans, and although the fans might have made more of an effort to understand what was happening, I must lay most of the blame at the feet of the writing staff. Let me lay it out for you.
In the writing room, it’s clear they felt they were running out of fresh comedic permutations for the characters. I think they felt they’d taken these characters in every direction they could possibly go. And I got the sense that they were thrilled at the arrival of Pearl, and the chance to “shake things up” — a phrase they would use often later on, when fans began to ask them what the hell was going on. From their point of view, Dr. F and Pearl were simply characters on a page, representing a whole new set of comedic possibilities.
But for a lot of fans, Dr. F was not a concept on a page, to played with any way the writers liked. He was an established character, a personality they had come to love and appreciate. And when the writers took that established character and began to take it in new directions, some fans didn’t like it. Put simply, they liked to see Dr. F. evil and in charge. They didn’t want to see him henpecked and timid, even if that allowed the writers to try new comic ideas. It was really one of the first times on this show that the fans and writers parted company.
In public appearances and interviews, Mary Jo and Trace expressed genuine confusion when fans questioned the direction they were taking Dr. F (and that’s when the “we just wanted to shake things up” explanations began coming out). It was pretty clear they simply didn’t see any reason not to change the characters any way they liked, as long as they thought it was funny.
In the end, for most fans, it wasn’t a deal breaker (though for a few it was). But it was something new for a show where, previously, the cast and the writers could virtually do no wrong.
• Cast and crew round up. I am not going to do the Arkoff or Roger Corman litany again. Producer and story writer Gene Corman was also the producer of “Attack of the Giant Leeches. Director Bernard L. Kowalski also worked on “Giant Leeches. Cinematographer John Nicholaus worked on “Giant Leeches” and “High School Big Shot.” Editor Jodie Copelan worked on “Ring of Terror” and “Laserblast.” Editor Richard Currier also worked on “The Unearthly.” Makeup guy Harry Thomas also worked on “The Unearthly,” “High School Big Shot,” “The Mad Monster,” “Project Moon Base,” “Bride of the Monster,” “Invasion USA” and “Racket Girls.” Production Manager Jack Bohrer also worked on “Giant Leeches” and was assistant director on “Teenage Caveman” and “Viking Women and the Sea Serpent.” Art director Dan Haller also worked “Giant Leeches” and “The Girl in Lovers Lane.” Prop master Karl Brainard also worked on “It Conquered the World,” “Teenage Caveman,” “The Undead” and “The She Creature.” Sound guy Herman Lewis also worked on “Teenage Caveman,” “Viking Women and the Sea Serpent” and “Mitchell.” Score composer Alexander Laszlo also worked on “Giant Leeches,” “Manhunt in Space” and “Crash of Moons.
In front of the camera: Michael Emmet was also on “Giant Leeches” and “Untamed Youth.” Ed Nelson was also in “Teenage Caveman,” “Swamp Diamonds,” “Riding with Death” and “Superdome.” He was also a costumer for “Giant Leeches.” Tyler McVey was also in “Giant Leeches. Ross Sturlin was also in “Teenage Caveman,” “”Viking Women” and “Giant Leeches.
• CreditsWatch: Beginning with this episode, Best Brains began to behave in a way they hadn’t had to behave in several years: When they got an order for episodes, they assembled a crew and pumped them out. When the order was complete, they laid people off and closed down the studio until another order came in. In other words, there were a lot of new faces. And many longtime regulars had departed.
Gone from the season six list of writers are Frank Conniff and Mike Dodge. Gone from contributing writers is Colleen Williams. The Turkey Day host segments were directed by Jim Mallon. The regular episode segments were directed by Trace Beaulieu. Replacing Jann Johnson at production manager (the separate job of production coordinator goes away completely) is Wendell Jon Andersson (formerly an intern–something that rarely happened!). In the job of “production assistant,” held by the departing Sarah Wisner since season four, is Mary Banovets and Michael D. Parker in the Turkey Day episode. Parker took over the job by himself during the regular season. With the departure of Toolmaster Jef Maynard, the new job of “prop master” appears. One Dean Trisko did the job for the Turkey Day segments. During the regular season the job was held by Helena Espinosa. There was also a new “prop assistant” job. One Beth McKeever first appears in the credits in that role for the Turkey Day episodes, along with a Wilson Webb. Dean Trisko was in the role for the regular episode. The “Audio” credit is gone. Tim Paulson no longer appears under “Editors” leaving Brad Keeley in that post alone. Jann and Ellen McDonough are both gone from the “post-production coordination” job and in their place are Wendell and Brad. Andrea DuCane did hair and makeup for all episodes this season except 704. Working as an intern both on the regular show and the turkey day segments was Debra Baxter. Danika King and Kelly Schrandt worked as interns for the entire regular season. Beth McKeever intern for the first two episodes (despite already having a credit in the Turkey Day show). The “additional original music written and arranged by” credit, which went to Mike for all of season six, again goes to him for the Turkey Day segments and for the rest of the season, but not the regular episode, where Kevin’s name appears instead. Barbara Tebben appears in the credits for the first time, with the title “assistant poobah,” as Julie Walker eyes the exits. The “special makeup effects” credit for the turkey day segments went to Crist Ballas and Gary Bohem.
• Fave riff from the short: “What would Liberace do? Oh, better not do that!” Honorable mention: “What rhymes with blue balls?”
• Fave riff from the movie: “No more questions! More boobies!” Honorable mention: “You ever seen stroganoff?”

129 comments to Episode guide: 701 and 701T- Night of the Blood Beast (with short: ‘Once Upon a Honeymoon’)

  • 1
    Not Merritt Stone says:

    The short is an A+; definitely in my personal top 5.

    The movie, however, never gets going for me until the Blood Beast speaks for the first time in the last 10 minutes. Only Teenage Caveman and The Undead rate below this one on the Corman Boredom scale.

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    Brandon says:

    Heh, I remember the first time I saw the outtake with Trace’s mouth bleeding. It’s definetly surprising.

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  • 3
    Joseph Nebus says:

    So how much time thinking about what the heck was Once Upon A Honeymoon all about did it take for you to get what it was trying to get the audience to do? The Brains got it a lot faster than I did.

    On the other hand it was only this year that I found a satisfactory explanation of what the heck A Case Of Spring Fever was trying to push on an unsuspecting public, so maybe I just run slow in some areas.

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  • 4
    ck says:

    Would it be possible for the Turkey Day segments to be put on as a dvd extra for those who’ve never seen them?

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  • 5
    swh1939 says:

    From the regular version, my favorite moment is the host segment emulating the short. Gypsy singing a nonsense song that Tom and Crow as angels desperately try to fulfill. Fall down hilarious.

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    swh1939 says:

    Also, I had taped the Turkey Day marathon, so when I saw the listings for this episode again I ignored them. It was only by catching the commercial that explained the different versions that I even managed to see the regular version.

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  • 7
    ck says:

    Btw, do you realize if there were no springs the newlyweds wouldn’t be able to use the phones. Now if someone just visited them and showed how important springs are…

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  • 8
    evanthered says:

    Dr. Forrester and Frank were always the best villain combo on the show, but I don’t think it’s fair to characterize the writers as having no real investment in the characters they had created other than for “comedic possibilities.” They had already hinted at this side of Forrester in show 607, and the new development with Pearl, while not as spectacular as the classic Frank/Forrester pairing, made Forrester significantly less one-dimensional.

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    Bobbled Dopple says:

    For me, the whole run of Season Seven is up there with the best of the series. I never thought the change in Dr. F’s character was jarring or difficult to stomach. We had gotten other glimpses of Dr. F’s sensitive side in prior seasons — I’m thinking of episodes where Dr. F and Frank’s daily life is shown to be a bit more domestic than one would expect of evil mad scientist/henchman. The idea that Dr. F would be an evil bully to someone he is superior to (Frank) but be sniveling and fearful to someone above him (Pearl) is pretty reasonable.

    At base, Dr. F and Pearl (or Peal and any other later combo) is just no match for Dr. F & TV’s Frank, but they all definitely had their moments.

    PS – did anyone else find it weird how they tacked on “Did I tell you that my mother is coming?” to the end of the theme song for Season Seven with no other mention of Pearl? It gave me the impression the choice of Mary Jo as sidekick was made very last minute. Perhaps they were considering trying to do Season Seven with just Forrester (a la The Movie).

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  • 10
    Nicolletta says:

    Remember the good ole days when NASA was family-owned and operated? And who knew that phones could bring so much joy? Alien

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    Fnord says:

    I do think that it was a good thing to have Pearl show up, and show that part of Clayton’s life, but I also think that it went too far.

    Like many people, I was a fan of Dr. F. as a villain, and having him play the lackey roll was kinda sad. If they had had Pearl living upstairs and interfering with the experiments, yelling at him as if he’s living in a basement, or something like that, it could have been gold.

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  • 12
    RPG says:

    “Well, we had to snap him in two like a frozen dog to get him out of the space capsule…”

    I should point out, the Turkey Day segments are more commonly seen than you seem to think. It’s pretty much the most prominent version circulating on the internet these days. I, myself, have never seen the regular version.

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  • 13
    Evan K says:

    I just LOVE the idea that Pearl and Crow (Art!) know each other all ready, and are actually good friends – cracks me up every time!

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    jason says:

    I think the problem was that trace and mary jo0 didn’t have very good chemistry together. Mary jo did better when we get to the sci fi episodes. As foer gthe short, the two in real life were married and were well known choreographers. They did allot musicals in the 50’s and early 60’s. My favorite riff “that’s her come hither look.” I think this episode was great. My favorite riffs were “I am a Pho-to-gra-pher. Him steve or me steve.” I think they used the same costume for the bloodbeast that was in the movie teenager caveman.

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    Erik says:

    “did anyone else find it weird how they tacked on “Did I tell you that my mother is coming?” to the end of the theme song for Season Seven with no other mention of Pearl? It gave me the impression the choice of Mary Jo as sidekick was made very last minute. Perhaps they were considering trying to do Season Seven with just Forrester (a la The Movie).”

    I got that impression as well in subsequent episodes. On Turkey Day 1995, it felt like a punchline. The entire day was building up to Pearl’s arrival, so her tacked-on mention in the opening read like an extension of that. When it continued to appear in new episodes, it took on a different flavor.

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  • 16
    Zee says:

    I liked the Pearl/Dr. F dynamic- I don’t think it changed the character at all, it only showed a new side of him. Trace was the best performer in the history of the show as Crow and Dr. Forrester and Season Seven just made Dr. F an even more layered and complex character. I remember at the time thinking “They survived Joel and Frank leaving but if Trace ever decided to go the show would have to end!”

    Mary Jo’s Pearl was the rockiest character introduction in the series history, and I kind of wish that when they started season 8 Mary Jo was changed to playing Forrester’s *daughter*, it would explain why the character looked different- and younger- and give them a clean slate without having to lose Mary Jo. As it is, the season 7 episodes are bizarre and Pearl is waaaay more evil than Clayton Deborah Susan ever could be…

    The Poopie moment with blood pouring out of Trace’s mouth is up there with him knocking the console over (in Angel’s Revenge) and spraying “Pam” in his mouth (in “Teenage Caveman”) in “Poopie Moments I wished they actually used in the episode”.

    I have the Turkey Day episode on tape, and on the same tape I recorded the non-turkey day host segments. This was a pretty great turkey day- don’t forget the return of Michael Feinstein (with Jim Mallon playing his back while Mike played Perkins) whose Turkey Day bumper introduction involved a rare change-of-angle shot when Dr. Forrester lept onto the piano.

    “Night of the Bloodbeast” is the weakest of the six Season 7 episodes but the short is great and it was kind of nice to have a season 3-style Corman film in the mix. I love the riff where they mispronounce “Photographer”…

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  • 17
    Roman Martel says:

    I missed this episode, but I’ve seen the short, and it’s a great one. I love the shout out to “Eraserhead”. Still kicking myself for not picking up Shorts Vol.3 on DVD. I’ve only got it on VHS and I don’t own a VCR any more.

    As to the whole Pearl and Dr. F dynamic, it never seemed out of character for me. Dr. F. had shown previously that he could be bullied and beaten down. Sure he picked on Frank, but that whole relationship seemed to be pretty established. Dr. F was the man in charge and Frank was supposed to be the henchman.

    With Pearl coming in, we got to see why Dr. F was such a bully in the first place. Because he was the victim to his mother (her henchman). It’s a pretty funny idea.

    But as others have pointed out, it just didn’t seem to work as well as the Dr. F and Frank dynamic. Not sure what is was, but it never really clicked for me. Now I did enjoy Pearl, Brain Guy and Bobo. That combination was hilarious and was really cooking by the time they got to the castle.

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    Tim S. Turner says:

    As I’ve said before, I really hate Season 7. Not so much for the character change, but because the writing is so weak. This episode gets off to a good start with a hilarious short, but the movie really drags. “Laserblast” is well done, but everything else sucks. The lack of focus from the writing staff(and the temporary fill-in writers) really shows. I was not a fan of Pearl at this point. She was too broad and shrewish, not the small-minded, power-crazed bully that she was to become on Sci-Fi. Her chemistry with Kevin and Bill was better as well. I will always view Season Seven and One as the weakest in the series. Season Seven has a tired, flat feel to it. It’s as if all of the BS they went through with MST3K:TM sucked all the life out of them. Thankfully, the Sci-Fi years brought a real rejuvenation and energy to the show, bringing Bobo and Observer into our lives. Season 8 remains one of the strongest in the series run.

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  • 19
    I'm not a medium, I'm a petite says:

    Sampo, I ask, rhetorically, if you are serious.

    Were there really viewers out there that did not understand: Dr F was a comedic character who was fundamentally weak himself and compensated by lashing out at those that were even weaker. Dr F’s behavior in the presence of his mother was completely consistant with what we saw of his behaviour with Frank. 2 sides of the same coin, there was no change in direction.

    Did people really think that Dr F was scary before Season 7 ? Or was some kind of Moriarty or Kaiser Soze who in Season 7 became clownish ?

    Cuz baby if that’s true I’m kinda glad I don’t hang around with other Misties.

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  • 20
    ck says:

    I think the Pearl, Brain Guy, Bobo combo was the best evil grouping, partly because it gave more combinations (both physically and emotionally) to work with. And a bit off topic, are Soultakers limited to humans? Could Observers have their souls taken by TV’s Frank since they have no physical bodies (presumably even if they’re Packer fans).

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  • 21
    MitchellRowsdowerBeardsley says:

    Yeah, once Joel left, then Frank, then Dr. F. was turned into a wimp, the show got really lame. But you know what? It got canceled, then re-upped on Sci-Fi and Season 8 (now minus Dr. F. and the ‘real’ Crow) was surprisingly hilarious. Whodathunk?

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    MitchellRowsdowerBeardsley says:

    I’m not a medium:

    People didn’t think Dr. F. was scary, they thought he was FUNNY. Pearl – not so much.

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    I'm not a medium, I'm a petite says:

    Mitch22 I am refering to what Sampo wrote above: ” they liked to see Dr. F. evil and in charge. They didn’t want to see him henpecked “

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  • 24
    Spector says:

    The short is among the best they’ve ever done and the riffing throughout the movie was very good. Always get a chuckle out of Crow calling “Blood Beast? Blood Beast…Bloody…” as though calling a dog, and when the Beast dives into the underbrush: “I regret nothing!”. Overall a very funny episode. Four stars.

    This season however is a difficult one because I missed Frank. As I’ve said before, MaryJo is terrific and I really enjoyed her later incarnation of Pearl Forrester during the Sci-Fi years, but in this season her character just rubs me the wrong way.

    She and Trace just seemed to struggle to establish chemistry between their characters, unlike with Frank where it just seemed to click right off the bat back in Season Two.

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  • 25
    Patrick says:

    Ah, my beloved Season Seven at last. The rest of the Comedy Central years kind of blend together for me because I wasn’t around to see them first-run, but I got a tape of five of the six episodes from a trader, and so these always had a nice cohesion to them in my mind.

    Fans who were around to watch it “live” were probably reacting to Frank’s absence and the substitution of Pearl as much as they were to the supposed change in Dr. Forrester’s character. Personally, I enjoyed their relationship, as it gave Deep 13 a new dynamic. The only sore spot was the host segment in Deathstalker where Pearl does nothing but repeat “Clayton” over and over again, which really grates. Although that was probably the point.

    Man, these comment windows are really tiny, aren’t they?

    Anyway, as for Blood Beast, I like it very much! The movie is just ripe for ripping, and the “Steve” riffs especially never fail to make me laugh out loud. Corman provides such a rich vein of material (homegrown NASA, mind-blowingly stupid monsters, lame attempts at suspense) that it’s an easy target for the Brains, not that that’s a bad thing.

    I’ve seen the Turkey Day segments here and there, but I personally think the regular segments are stronger. I have a soft spot for the final host segment, with Crow’s whining about the (in his mind) undue attention pregnant women get. I’ve trotted that one out (ironically, of course) to pregnant friends of mine, and usually they get the joke. Usually.

    Oh, and speaking of host segments, the one following the delightfully bizarre short (“Honey, there’s a gay man on the neighbor’s roof…” “Should we get a gay man on our roof?”) is inspired. The piles of cigarettes, Mike’s pained pounding on the piano and Gypsy’s ridiculous song. It’s just all so weird.

    Once Upon a Honeymoon is, for me, one of the show’s top 5 shorts, and makes a pretty good claim to number one.

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  • 26
    Droppo says:

    My feelings on this are not ambiguous.

    The dynamic between Frank and Dr. F was one of my favorite elements of the show. I adored it….a perfect comedy duo.

    I had previously endured a MAJOR cast change. Joel, who remains of my favorite characters in the history of…anything…had left and was replaced by a performer with an entirely different style. And I loved it. Don’t get me wrong, I love, love, love Joel. And I still probably prefer him. But, Mike was hilarious and my enthusiasm for the show didn’t diminish in the slightest.

    So, it’s not that I’m resistant to change. What could be a bigger change than the star of the show leaving and being replaced by someone new?

    HOWEVER…when Pearl showed up in the world of MST3K, a part of my love for the show was forever dimmed. Now, I still love the show more than any piece of art, television, music, etc. ever. But, I cannot express how much I dislike the Pearl character. And while the Season 7 incarnation almost dared you to like her…I do not share the commonly held view that her Sci Fi incarnation was good. It was BETTER…but, kind of like eating a burnt steak and then having a less burnt steak. Both inedible.

    Why do I dislike Pearl? Let me count the ways:

    -Her constant mugging for the camera
    -the fact that she got MORE screen time (in the Sci Fi) years than either Dr F or Frank ever did due to the increase of host segments featuring the Mads
    -she had zero chemistry with Trace
    -she emasculated a beloved character who had previously been the chief antagonist of the show

    I could go on and on.

    Her brand of humor seems so bizarrely out of whack with the rest of MST3K that it makes me question how it possibly could have come from the same writers that gave me such joy. The whole tone of the show is so radically different than the Pearl segments.

    It really bums me out. The theater segments were as strong as ever. And even when another massive change occurred, replacing Trace (who was by far my favorite remaining cast member at the time) with Bill…I thought they (and Bill, specifically) did an amazing job.

    Pearl remains MST3K’s Jar Jar Binks moment and unfortunately, it became a nightmare that never went away.

    As I said, my feelings on this one are pretty clear.

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    Count me among those who hated the Pearl/Dr. F dynamic. It wasn’t because of the change in Dr. F, it was because they went from a perfect comic pairing to a much less interesting one (IMO). The bit with Pearl calling Crow “Art” was inspired, though. I didn’t get it until re-watching ep. 203 some years later, when it finally dawned on me where “Art” came from. I thought I was the first one to realize it. (I was wrong.)

    I like the idea someone upthread had about Pearl moving into Deep 12, putting Trace in a “living in the basement” situation.
    Much of the problem was that Frank’s departure was fresh in everyone’s mind, and almost anything they tried would have been a letdown.

    For most long-time fans of the show, the regular version of this episode is much more familiar than the Turkey Day version. Before it became accessible on the web, I had only seen the Turkey Day version once, because the one I had taped was the regular version.
    The thing I love about the season 7 opening was the little take Mike does during “Robot Roll Call”. It’s perfect, and I wish they had used it for the rest of the series.

    The short in this episode was one of the great ones.

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  • 28
    Stickboy says:

    Crow’s rants about babies and pregnant women are among my favorite host moments in the entire history of the show.

    The movie is great. The Steves, the constant jokes about the blood beast seducing dead Steve, the bush league space program. Wonderful stuff.

    A radio station in my hometown used a clip from this movie in their bumpers for a while. Whenever I would hear, “Shifting all power to the radio,” I would smile and feel somewhat elite in recognizing its source.

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  • 29
    MSTJon says:

    Having only seen season 7 recently, I’ve only come to dislike Pearl because this character doesn’t jibe with what she becomes in the SciFi eps. There were a few edges that really could have been smoothed out to make doubters much more accepting of her. As it is, I feel like there was a new character kind of forced in the show only to have her changed again the next season. A little more respect for their own past would have gone a long way, for me at least.

    That said, I really don’t hate the new dynamic. I always viewed it as a reason Dr F is as messed up as he is. Besides, how many people do we all know who bully people at their job, but go home to a family they have no control over?

    On the plus side, I thought the stuffing vs potatoes sketch was the funniest host segment I’d seen in a long while, but are we the only family who always serve both without a second thought?

    And while the movie really drags for me, the short is absolute gold. Not sure of the point since that’s never made clear, but I always enjoy shorts that imply their products are the result of divine intervention (Out of This World).

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  • 30
    mst3ktemple says:

    I love 701 Turkey Day version. First off, it brings back many fond memories of Turkey Day Marathons of the past. Second, I think the episode itself holds up very well. The short is great, the skits are fun and the movie is wacky enough to be enjoyed over and over.

    As for the Dr F/ Pearl topic, I’d hate to be the one to follow Frank as a new character. Dr F and Frank were a perfect mix. It took me a little while to warm up to Pearl, but I absolutely did. By the time the show switched to the Sci-Fi Channel I was a big fan.

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  • 31

    This episode is even better for me because my real name is Dave and I have a brother named Steve, so we’re in the movie!

    Short:
    * Mike mentions in the ACEG that he would always crack up in the writing room at Trace’s Charles Nelson Riley impression whenever Wilbur was on screen. The same holds true when watching.
    * When I first saw this, I was expecting at least one George Bailey/It’s a Wonderful Life joke. I was wrong.
    * When Michael Jackson died, the first thing that came to mind was Servo’s riff at the very beginning. THAT’s how much MST3K has influenced me. When Prince dies I’ll watch Agent for HARM as his memorial. LOL
    *Favorite riffs:
    “Hey, hey! Leave room for the Holy Ghost!” – Mike
    “Lucy, I’m deaaaad!” – Crow
    “I love it when I get a call in my pants!” – Servo

    Movie:
    * I LOVE episodes with a lot of running gags, and this by far is the best they have to offer in this department for the Mike era. (I Accuse My Parents is the winner for Joel.)
    – Look how dead Johnny is.
    – Johnny’s wedding to the Blood Beast.
    – And, of course, the immortal “Steve” jokes.
    * The parrot costume indeed comes from Teenage Caveman (but this movie was made first) and not only that but the opening credits theme is also the same as in Attack of the Giant Leeches.
    * I’d like to wager that the cartoon in the floroscope is the most expensive special effect Corman ever had to do.
    *Favorite riffs: Any and all involved with the “Steve” running gag.

    Host Segments:
    * I’ve only seen the Turkey Day segments so that’ll keep this short.
    * Mike as Jack Perkins gets my vote for best portrayed character out of all the guests. Runner-up, to paraphrase Joel, “Bridget, as Mr. B, you’re hot~”
    * Not being a sports fan, I get just as confused as Gypsy.
    * Favorite line: “Well, I’m most thankful for the spirit of music-”
    “SHUT UP!”

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  • 32
    Katana says:

    Zee #16: Dr. F’s daughter? Can you imagine the fan reaction there? XD We’ve got enough sourness going on already, now imagine Forrester reproducing and…heh, my mental theater is having a good time. Anyway~

    I watched this – well, the TD version – with a bunch of my friends for our weekly movie chat after Thanksgiving. It was a good time, though the Steve joke became a running gag. This was also the episode where we had an Australian with us, and man was she confused.

    And the short. Holy God, the short. I’ve had the song stuck in my head at the most inappropriate times – notably school, and notably during math tests. And I echo the sentiment – What the hell was it promoting anyway?! It had a Design For Dreaming feel to it, but that at least pointed out brand names. This one…this…not so much, if at all.

    As a band geek, I have to address Dr. F’s trombone playing and whether getting whacked by Pearl caused the blood. Now, I didn’t play brass, but plenty of my friends did, and while yes, getting the mouthpiece knocked into your mouth hurts, it isn’t going to make you sprout blood. Also, it looked like Trace was bleeding from the lip, so my guess is that the pressure he was applying might’ve blown whatever wound he had going on to begin with. (I played oboe, so don’t quote me on this. Now reeds, reeds will cut you. And give you splinters. In your lip.)

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  • 33
    Smog Monster says:

    The error you cited about how many times the Turkey Day version of this episode aired … Maybe it was Mary Jo Pehl just being sarcastic… Becarefull when dealing with comedians…..

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  • 34
    Fantagor says:

    You might recall that we have seen Dr. F’s mother Pearl in an earlier episode where she and Frank are best buds (reestablished here) and mother and son are little more than related strangers. But despite this estrangement, Dr. F goes to great lengths to impress her, so, to me, it makes sense that Dr. F would act sort of toady-like in her presence. Besides, parents have that effect on their children, to make them feel small regardless of age or accomplishments. I know. I’m speaking from experience.

    Randy

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  • 35
    Kouban says:

    Re: #9, that part of the season 7 theme has always had a “And Poochy!” feel for me.

    I do enjoy season 7 for all its brevity and flaws, but I think that if I had seen it during its original run instead of years later on Youtube after having seen all of the SFC episodes, I wouldn’t have liked Pearl nearly as much.

    And, like some others here, I have only seen the TD version of this episode. I hope that someday if this one gets on DVD, you’ll be able to choose which version of the host segments you see.

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  • 36
    adoptadog says:

    For me, the pleasure of MST has always been the riffing on the movie/short; the host segments are just a bonus when funny, not a detraction when not. And because I got to see lots of eps thanks to the MST3K60m and the Rhino releases (meaning I saw Joel and Mike, Josh and Frank) before I saw any eps in first run, during the SciFi years, I had no problem accepting any of the Brains in any role. Result: I like Dr. F. and Frank, I had no problem with Mrs. F. in Season 7, and I enjoyed her character in the last 3 seasons.

    To be fair, I think there is a sense of a little weariness from the writers, maybe after their experience with the movie, and with Frank’s absence. The riffs are still funny, but there’s a loss of some of the joie de vivre they used to show. However, for me, it’s not a terrible thing, just the way it is.

    Having blathered all that, I love this short:
    “I wish the faucet wouldn’t drip all day.” “Aim high, sister!”

    Like many others here, the running “Steves” gag is one of my faves, and it foreshadows The Incredible Melting Man’s “Steve.”

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  • 37
    Astaroth says:

    This is in my top ten episodes Cool The short is great too. Frank not being there takes a while to get used to, but Pearl is a pretty good replacement. I love Servo’s appearance as a pie in the Turkey Day Version Grin

    “I Am Mincemeat”
    “Oh no,Barneys Been In a Fire!”

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  • 38
    M "Steve" Sipher says:

    One of the things I will always take away from this episode is the phrase “That roundly sucks”. I don’t know why that amuses me as much as it does.

    I have wondered just how this one would work on a DVD. Option to see it with the Turkey Day segments? Have the full run of TD segments as an extra? Hm.

    I suppose let’s talk about the Clay/Pearl dynamic. Like others, I saw it as the only logical reason Dr F is how he is. I mean, Gypsy called it back when we were first introduced to Pearl. (“I’m tempted to call her something that rhymes with ‘bitch’! OH! WAIT!”) It explains so much about him… the bullying, the need for approval (even if it’s from terrified underlings), how he gets flustered when people stand up to him (witness Mike & the Bots’ final invention, where they take the piss out of the Mads), even his bizarre “domestic” moments with Frank and his inability to function when the women from Deep 12 show up. I don’t think the dynamic in this particular episode worked all that well in the “normal” segments, as I think they’re trying a bit too hard to establish Pearl as an emasculator, but the TD version, where Pearl surprises and delights Clay with Turkey Surprise (which is indeed hilarious) and some of the later episodes work very well.

    Man, the whole Perkins/B thing. So wrong and hilarious and strangely arousing.

    For my money, Season 7 is one of the stronger batch of episodes. Despite the frustration of the movie work and CC’s “wellllllll maybe we’ll pay you”, you get the feeling that the group were really still feeling the material and were eager to keep it going. It’s a good mix of movie “styles” in this truncated season too… the standard Corman sci-fi schlock from the olden days, a drama-less B&W crime story, a terrible sword-and-sorcery flick done on the butt-cheap from the days when He-Man sold, a more modern “horror” film, the inexplicable Italian “the bad guys are really good!” gang movie, and, a 70’s teen horror/sci-fi whatever.

    Odd that the two versions of the episode use some different audio for some of the riffs… the most noticeable being two entirely different deliveries of “Oh no, Patrick Stewart fell in the quicksand!”.

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  • 39
    JCC says:

    Love the episode, some great lines, and the movie is just so inherently goofy so that helps a lot. Eggs in the microscope. “Snarfbarms”. The mousy photographer. Grief motorboating. Great stuff. I don’t know if it’s new mic’s or something, but Mike’s voice sounds really low and kinda nasally in the theater during this season.

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  • 40
    MSTJon says:

    For those interested, the DAP release of this ep has a TD or not TD option. Ironically, they did they exact same thing I did before I knew they existed. TD starts with all of the bumpers strung together, leading to the episode. The other way goes straight to the theme with the “normal” host segments. It’s become a new holiday tradition in my family.

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  • 41
    fireballil says:

    I think the writers wanted to give some explanation about why Dr. Forrester was the way he was. With the way Pearl bullied him around and never wanted a son(which I think is why he had girl’s middle names), I think that gave some context to Dr. F. I was more disturbed with the way the ‘bots treated Mike. Macing and tasing him with no discenable reason is typical of the way they treated him which became more pronounced in the Sci-Fi years. He was more like their little brother(which I can relate to) rather than the parent-child relationship they had with Joel. As for the episode itself, I haven’t seen the TD bumpers too much, but the movie was a typical Corman bore-fest(Crow: ‘If the name says Corman, there’s gonna be walking!’) and who hasn’t thought about babies like Crow did?(I haven’t. Razz ) The short was surreal, the only thing I saw about what it was selling was an old Bell System logo at the end. Fave quote from it: After Wilbur gets his phone out, Crow says, ‘I love getting a call in my pants!’ Fave quote from the movie: When Corman’s name appears in the opening credits, Mike says, ‘This movie has been thoroughly Cormanized!’

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  • 42
    Droppo says:

    Not sure why it makes any difference if Pearl’s character better explains Dr. F. Were we all really waiting for a deeper analysis of Dr. F? This isn’t The Sopranos. All I want is…”the funny.” And Pearl, IMO, was to quote our beloved riffers: “stiflingly unfunny.” And worse…unlikable.

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  • 43
    M "Steve?" Sipher says:

    See, I found Pearl funny, thought definitely moreso in the Sci-Fi era. And it’s not about “wanting” a deeper analysis of Dr. F, it’s simply “well, that makes sense” as the events unfold.

    And also, I was never all that fond of the “parent-child” Joel/bots relationship, to be honest… but then, when I came into it, Joel was the one trying to use “I created you!” to get out of being It when playing Murderball when the bots were too fast in calling “Not It”. Bits where Joel muses that Tom shouldn’t be able to sneeze, or is confused that the bots claim they can smell (and they quickly try and cover that fact) amuse me a lot. I love the bit from Amazing Colossal Man where the bots unthinkingly tear Joel’s world to shreds while discussing about how they’ve been sensitive to his troubles (“We know that if you had breath mints, you’d use them!”). I like the bizarre tension you get when you have four people living in a very enclosed space with little outside influence… they’re gonna get on each other’s nerves and be weird. So Mike’s becoming the punching bag worked for me. And it’s not like the bots didn’t get their fair share of abuse… well, maybe not Gypsy, but she was never one to really put herself into that kind of situation.

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  • 44
    Faruk Alatan says:

    I’ve been away from the boards awhile everyone.

    I think many people who post here think that the chemistry between Dr. F and Pearl was poor, and I’d have to agree with that assessment, from what I’ve seen.

    Nevertheless I don’t think it’s truly fair judge the pair just on the limited interaction they had. TV’s Frank definitely was not fully formed as a character upon his arrival in season two. They probably didn’t know how exactly Pearl as a character would develop. On top of that, there was at least one sketch from season two I can remember where the chemistry between TV’s Frank and Clayton was not up to its eventual standard. The sketch from Catalina Caper where Frank holds the tupperware party and ultimately has his eye gored out with a melon baller.

    (I’m not a big fan of Pearl either. My favorite episodes definitely fall in the meaty seasons 2 – 5 range, with some funny yet not as memorable moments in seasons 8 – 9.)

    Ultimately though I just think it’s not fair to make a specific judgment regarding the pairing with scant interaction.

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  • 45
    BSBrian` says:

    As I look at the show overall, I can’t believe how well “it” handled the changes. Every major character(sorry gypsy) is replaced, yet it keeps right on going strong! I, for one, love all of them, from start to finish and think they all did a great job!

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  • 46
    rockyjones says:

    Having seen both versions about an equal number of times, I’d have to say that I overwhelmingly prefer the “regular” episode over the Turkey Day version. I think that the host segments with Pearl mentally torturing Dr. F are brilliant. Especially segment 2, with “the apology” (“…Is it poop related?”) You can just feel every molecule of Dr. F’s anguish and bewilderment. With each segment, more light is shed on exactly WHY Dr.F is so doggone screwed up! And sure, the movie lumbers along lethargically for the most part, but I think the riffing is very solid and constant, and all the running gags, etc., help to keep the momentum going. (Steve! Steve?…It’s hard to trust a man not named Steve!)

    Oh…and, while I’m here, I might as well get all “anal”…

    #14 – jason:

    A small correction to your info on the two stars of the short. While they were both familiar actors who had appeared in various musical roles (the “wife”…Virginia something-or-other, was one of the brides in “Seven Brides for Seven Brothers”), I believe you’re thinking of the short’s director, Gower Champion. In the 50’s, he and his wife Marge were a very well known movie dance team. They were especially prominently featured in most of Esther Williams’ films, with Marge usually playing Esther’s “gal-pal”. Of course, Gower Champion went on to great success as a Broadway stage director and choreographer. “Hello Dolly” and “42nd Street” were two of his most notable achievements.

    “And now you know…….the REST of the story!”

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  • 47
    Droppo says:

    I know it’s just a show, I know I should just relax…but, to this day, I’m genuinely bothered by it.

    I liken it to this: I’m a huge Beatles fan. Imagine if they discovered a new Beatles album…and it was awesome. Classic, vintage Beatles, in terms of quality. With one exception….at the beginning and end (and sometimes in the middle) of each song, for a few seconds, a guy coughed on the recording….really loud and it was a wet cough. And the more the album went on, the more frequent the coughing became. That’s how I feel. My precious, beloved MST3K added a character I loathed…nails on a chalkboard hated….and slowly gave her a more and more prominent role.

    It’s a nightmare.

    (It’s just a show…it’s just a show…)

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  • 48
    jon says:

    Pearl calling Crow “Art” is one of my favorite things from the show.

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  • 49
    Toots Sweet says:

    JCC #39, I noticed that too. It sounded like Mike had a bad cold.

    This episode was really a funny one for me. I like Season 7, especially the Melting Man. Great riffs.

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  • 50
    H says:

    I’m very divided here. Turkey Day host segments were great, especially Mike and Bridget’s extremely creepy interaction. Regular host segments were good but nothing great. Movie’s good but short is better.

    As for Pearl, I admit I had trouble accepting her at first. I got the point but it seemed to overconfuse things. Granted, I had issues with Mike at first too.

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  • 51
    DON3k says:

    I’m one who was in the “Brains could do no wrong” corner, and I took to Pearl with no issues at all. I like Dr F’s beaten, seething fury-and-fail attitude during season 7. I suppose maybe I’m in the minority, there. But then, I always liked Pearl’s upcoming ‘Clay-den! Clay-den!” skit.

    Gypsy’s song was great. Her whole line about “I want a thing, with the thing, and a thing on top!” still runs thru my head on occasion.

    EVERYONE’S NOT NAMED STEVE!!!

    Oh, and I love 80’s-Hair-Girl.

    Tom’s parrot noises, anytime bloodbeast is on the screen always kills me.

    Bloodbeast is one of my faves, and I love every season 7 episode. I think they’re all in my top 20.

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  • 52

    Definitely need both host segemnt versions on the DVD release of this one.

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  • 53
    rcfagnan says:

    I like season seven very much. Never really had any problems with the new dyanamics of the cast ( I LOVED Clayton’s middle names…surely he’s not the only one to have his mother tell him she would have rather had a girl). The bots relentless taunting of Mike? He kinda brought it on himself with that Anne Boelyn thing he did back in season six…

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  • 54
    MikeK says:

    Short:

    I love the short. It’s another vague, 1950s short that’s about something and nothing all at once. It’s in the same company as “A Young Man’s Fancy” and “Out of This World.” Like Sampo, I to have, “What would Liberace do? Oh, better not do that,” as my favorite riff from the short.

    The movie:

    First, I’d like to point out that “Night of the Blood Beast” stars the actor who go on to play “the elusive Robert Denby” in “Riding With Death.”

    The movie itself is dull, and yet it somehow goes by fast. It probably helps that Roger Corman only produced the movie. I like the animated microscope visual effects. It sure beats using stock footage of parameciums.
    My favorite riff is, the apparently controversial, “Don’t send Polacks into space.” It’s just a good riff. They are speaking for the character in the movie. (I’m sure that particular type of riff was covered in the Riff Taxonomy discussion.)

    As for Season 7, I like it. Dr. F. was pretty much broken in this episode, but I think it worked. Pearl did treat Dr. F. rather poorly when she made a guest appearance during Bloodlust. The rest of the season does make up for this episode.

    The Turkey Day host segments are great. I like Mike as Jack Perkins and bawdy tune that he sings at the piano. Everyone is good as their respective characters.

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  • 55
    I'm not a medium, I'm a petite says:

    I watched the TD and non-TD versions today, and I gave them a 5. maybe the movie alone is a 4, maybe a 5, but both sets of host segments are gold and guarantee a 5 all around.

    I loved the addition of Pearl, loved their dynamic. It is also a lot darker, as if we are watching a double feature of Frankenstein followed by Who’s Afraid of Virginia Wolf. Both scary, but in different ways.

    Dr F is great but the The Movie shows that he can’t carry Deep 13 by himself. I don’t think anyone could. The dual ensembles are one of the quantum leaps that seperate MST3K from traditional hosted movies.

    The final TD scene… touching in a wierd creepy sort of way. And I have used the Turkey Suprise recipe ( only in theory ) many times.

    ( and I wonder if I am detecing the faint stench of misoginy )

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  • 56
    big61al says:

    I don’t fully understand the whole love/hate thing when the show dynamics changed. I have always thought the core base of the show was riffing bad movies….everything else is just gravy whoever is doing it….therefore I accept the entire series as a whole. every episode is worth viewing regardless of the players.

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  • 57
    Droppo says:

    Bigal:

    I agree that the riffing if definitely the core of the show. But, the Beatles analogy I used best describes my feelings on it.

    I used to love every moment of an MST3K episode. From the opening theme to the closing credits. I couldn’t wait to see the invention exchange with Joel and the Mads or whatever Mike was up to that week. The movie was clearly the key, but, I adored the moments before, after and in between.

    You have to understand…I absolutely loathe Pearl. She’s the equivalent of nails on a chalkboard for me. I don’t find her funny, winning, or interesting. And not only was she a part of the show now (Season 7), but, her role expanded as it progressed! Even the tacked on “did I tell you my mother’s here?” was like a fresh kick to the groin. She slowly intruded on every aspect of the show. First, she was Dr. F’s sidekick and had that little bit in the theme song. Then, she SANG a large portion of the theme song and was elevated to the head Mad. Then, she started appearing in a ton of host segments beyond the traditional beginning and ending skits.

    It just got worse and worse….

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  • 58
    Bigzilla says:

    I really like this episode, particularly the movie, because the writing for the riffs really seemed to start clicking in a new way. It started towards the end of season 6 and really begins to take off here. What I am referring to here is how the frequency of Mike & the Bots laughing at themselves really jumps up starting with season 7. I don’t know why I enjoy this so much, but usually I find myself falling apart in laughter when they are giggling as well. This becomes a regular minute to minute occurrence in the Sci-Fi episodes, but when I first saw this episode it was a really new and fresh thing to me.
    I like both Joel and Mike episodes, but for my money starting with this episode in the series the riffs really turn a corner. They become a bit more sharp edged, and perhaps even a bit more polished (I’ve seen an interview where Mike & Kevin say in the later seasons they really started practicing the riffs a lot, as opposed to what they had formerly done). Keep in mind both are great, but suddenly it seems the guys found there own jokes funny. I just didn’t see that as much with Joel or the early Mike shows.
    As for the host segments, these are certainly some of the weaker ones they ever did, however I’m here for the movie primarily so it doesn’t bother me all that much. Not that I am going to be a father though I find myself paying more attention to Crow’s Baby rant!

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  • 59
    Bigzilla says:

    Sorry – should have said “Not that I am going to be a father . . .” Poopie!

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  • 60
    Bigzilla says:

    DANG IT! The word I wanted to say was “NOW”. I’ll get my act together someday Grin

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  • 61
    Mr. B(ob) says:

    For me, the Dr. F vs. Pearl setup was not only a big change from a beloved and hilarious dynamic, on its own merits it was never even close to being as funny as what it replaced.

    This is not a criticism of the performers, both Trace and Mary Jo are hilarious (Mary Jo detractors need to see Cinematic Titanic, all doubts will be dispelled by that, she’s GREAT). It’s just that the Dr. F and Pearl dynamic was simply not good comedic use of the actors’ or the writers’ talents. What sounded like real-life bitterness and anger was never going to come close to the fantasy fun and hilarity of the “mad scientist abuses hapless assistant” parody of Dr. F and TV’s Frank.

    For one thing, the gag that Dr. F repeatedly maims or kills his assistant (and occasionally, vice versa) was great parody of many of the situations actually found in the grade-B science fiction films used on the show. Second, there was real chemistry between the performers and the sanitzed violence and mad-cap adventures of the two of them were part of the charm of the show.

    Of course, the writers could never have had Dr. F abuse Pearl the way he did Frank, that would have had a genuinely mean and sinister tone to it that it didn’t with two males, so they reversed the dynamic and had her abuse him. But the situations were never rich in comedic possibilities and they lacked the kind of originality that made MST3K a cult favorite with fans looking for something different. Pearl maltreating Dr. F was too close to situations on “regular” TV sitcoms to be great or worthy of MST3K.

    Interestingly, the Pearl character seemed to work better on the Sci-Fi Channel shows, with her abusing goofy “sci-fi” based assistants. It still was no replacement for the greatness of Dr. F and Frank, but it was good.

    My wife and I stayed with MST3K through all the changes to the very end. Even on its last episode in season 10 it was the best thing on TV, but with each major change in cast over the years the show did lose a bit and for us nothing will ever equal the greatness the show had in the early days with Joel at the helm, Dr. F and his assistant in Deep 13, and Mike playing hilarious characters on the “hexfield view screen”.

    That said, whatever episodes are released on DVD, we’ll buy them. Shout Factory, we want them ALL!

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  • 62
    snowdog says:

    Knowing that Dr F. had that in his past is one thing. Having to sit through it is another.

    The trombone scene was brutal and unfunny. It felt like being at a friend’s house and having to listen while his mother demeans him. Some of the other host segments were better, but this one nearly ruined the show for me.

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  • 63
    snowdog says:

    Fortunately for me, I own the Turkey Day version.

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  • 64
    MikeK says:

    I like the animation for the microscope scene. It sure beats some stock footage from a sixth grade science class.

    The short is great. It’s a vague subject matter, in the same class as “Out of This World” and “A Young Man’s Fancy.”

    Favorite quote: “What would Liberace do? Hmm, better not do that.”

    The movie is dull, but it goes by quickly. I’d like to point out that the future “Elusive Robert Denby” is in “Night of the Blood Beast.” The host segments are good.

    As for Season 7, I like it a lot. Sure, episode one has a henpecked Dr. F., but rest of the season more than makes up for it. One episode has Pearl and Dr. F. working together as movie producers. Another has Pearl locked up in a kid’s playhouse.

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  • 65
    crow-steve-schmo says:

    I love this episode. I have the Turkey Day host segments that I got from Sky, but I didn’t watch them for this discussion, so I kind of forgot most of them. I’m familiar with the regular episode.

    That short was really out there, man. (Remember everyone to decorate with phones!) What a stupid song! Shorts from the fifties were so lame. And whoever came up with the decor for that house – ick! That was supposed to be nice? Blech.

    Fave lines from the short:
    “Here’s how far I got – ‘LA’.” – Crow
    “Honey, your cocaine is all over the phone.” – Crow

    The copy I have of this ep is one that I cut out all the commercials, and I’m missing part of the opening, so I don’t remember Crow and Servo torturing Mike. It cuts in at the end of Dr. F playing trombone.

    I, too, have trouble with Pearl’s chemistry with Dr. F. It was better with Bobo and Observer in later seasons, even though I really hate Bobo. And it’s weird, cuz I like Mary Jo, I know she has good comedic timing and can deliver the lines, it’s just that the CHARACTER of Pearl never really did it for me.
    But, anyway —-

    The beginning of this movie had me laughing (well, the riffing), though it dragged a bit in the middle.

    Loved the running Steve gags.

    There are way too many lines that I liked to list them all here but here are a few:

    “Dick Currier – when Dick absolutely, positively has to be there over night.” – Crow

    “The rest of NASA rushes to the scene.” – Mike

    “NASA’s fruit truck makes a delivery.” – Crow

    “I’ve never seen a man so dead.” – Servo

    “What I’m about to say may sound strange, but I think we should eat this corpse.” – Mike

    “Steve – Steve and I have something to tell you.” – Mike

    (When Dr. “Steve” Wyman says of Johnny “Steve”, “He alone stood on the threshold of our future”) Mike adds, “And he peed it down his leg.”

    “There’ll be other Steves.” – Servo

    “Another long scene in here should help.” – Mike

    “Oh – Steve’s name is Johnny.” – Crow

    “You think I’m STEVE, don’t you?!” – Servo

    Call back: When alien “Steve” says, “We have discovered the ultimate power.” Servo says, “RADAR!”

    And of course, Servo’s, “Yep – just what it is we’ll never know – we’ll never know.”

    Steve out.

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  • 66
    The Bolem says:

    I saw the TD version over a decade ago, leaving the memory hazy at best, and Laserblast is the only other Season 7 I’ve seen. So while I’m hardly the most qualified to say what the pros and cons of Season 7 are, all I have to say after reading so many complaints is,

    Repeat to yourself: It was just 6 episodes!

    Well, six and a half.

    I can’t even think of a fair way to compare it to any other season; it must have more parallels to the 4-7 episode arcs of Season 8. Having seen every SciFi ep multiple times before even reading synopses of 702-706, I’ve come to regard it just kind of a transitional period, like the show’s dynamic was closed for remodelling and we had to take that class in one of those rented trailers for a few weeks which meant no powerpoint presentations; we still learned six essential lessons for the course. Okay, so for all anyone who was there at the time knew, our school was just going to be torn down in the end, sort of like what happened to Wonderland Mall in Livonia a few years ago, and now this analogy strayed away from any logic it had at the beginning, but I guess what I mean is that I like Season 7 having a distinct feel. Like how out of all the family vacations I ever took to the U.P., the one that stands out most in my mind is that short, choppy one we were sort of forced to make by the blackout in 2003, which just happened to be on my birthday.

    Oh, and I know I’ve seen the trombone skit, but can’t remember if it was in Favorite Host Segments or Poopie. So, Dr. F doesn’t bleed in the actual take? Meaning it’s possible that was real blood and not a capsule? Yikes. I know that if you don’t warm up before playing a brass instrument, blasting a really powerful note can split your lip. I never had that problem since I played the tuba, whose mouthpiece you sort of compress your entire mouth into in order to play, so I imagine the risk increases as the horns get smaller. I hope Trace didn’t have to get stitches.

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  • 67
    JCC says:

    Bigzilla (#58) – Yeah, I love it when they laugh at their jokes too. It may seem unprofessional (see Jimmy Fallon on SNL) but I enjoy it when the MST crew take a less rehearsed approach to the riffing. And it may seem like sacrilege, but I’m a person who comes for the theater and if a sketch is good then great, but if it’s bad then who cares – I’ll move on.

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  • 68
    Nicias says:

    I’ve weighed in on the Pearl/Clayton dynamic before. While I don’t like their interactions, I don’t think it’s at all out of character for Dr. Forrester. Even though he torments Frank and has megalomaniacal leanings, he is fundamentally pathetic and that’s part of what makes him funny. I recall his tirade in Killer Shrews about “the book dumpings after typing class” and other past shames that “fueled his badness.” He is the archetypal basement-dwelling, revenge-plotting loser. There is a strong impression that, aside from Frank and other henchmen-types (eg, Torgo), the rest of the world simply laughs at Forrester. All that being said, watching Pearl browbeat Forrester just isn’t very fun. Pearl’s screeching and Clayton’s whining becomes grating very quickly.

    I think the show was trying to find direction during Season Seven. This was compounded by the distraction of the movie and uncertainty about the show’s continued status. However, the show was wonderfully resurrected with a fresh face on SciFi. Pearl proved a great replacement for Clayton, supporting my earlier assertions that the two characters have too strong a stage presence to share the screen together.

    While a lot of the host segments are very weak during Season Seven, I still find it very enjoyable. This episode is great and probably has the strongest host segments of the season. The short may be my favorite, or possibly second to “A Date With Your Family.” There were some very odd marketing attempts in the 50’s; the attempts to deify consumer goods and make high sales a divine mandate is creepy. Still, Trace gets some great Charles Nelson Reilly impressions in at the expense of Wilbur the Angel.

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  • 69
    M "Steve!" Sipher says:

    Bigzilla #58: What I am referring to here is how the frequency of Mike & the Bots laughing at themselves really jumps up starting with season 7. I don’t know why I enjoy this so much, but usually I find myself falling apart in laughter when they are giggling as well.

    I love this. This, to me, makes the show feel like “three funny guys who are watching a movie for the first time and just flinging stuff at the screen” more than “three guys reading from a carefully-timed script”. It feels looser, more casual, and more fun. Let’s face it… if you’re doing this at home with ttwo other people, unscripted, and someone lets loose with a good zinger, you’re gonna laugh. I always felt better when Joel was failing at suppressing his snickers and laughter in earlier episodes. That, to me, told me a joke had really hit its mark.

    Next episode has the ultimate “break up with laughter” moment for me along these lines….

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  • 70
    feelingsquishy says:

    i actually really like Pearl in later seasons, it’s almost as though Mary Jo and the others are just trying to find a good groove with the character. either way, it does fit with Dr. F’s badness…nothing like a domineering mother to make you want to do evil things Wink

    what really makes the trombone bit work though is how painful it is to watch if you ever had a music recital as a kid. it sounds about as bad irl and i swear i lost it as soon as Dr. F starts in with the extremely exaggerated foot taps for timing. too funny.

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  • 71
    casimar says:

    I wasn’t completely onboard with the Pearl/Dr F dynamic at first, but I loved it years later when I revisited it. In this episode, in particular, I love the “blood, mother… BLOOD” offscreen after Dr F gets shot. (At least I think that was in this episode?) The trombone recital and apology were also GOLD.

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  • 72
    fathermushroom says:

    I first came to the show in Season 8, so everything preceding that was just one discovery after another. Therefore, the jump from Frank to Pearl did not really have any effect on my enjoyment of the series. It was simply different all the time. And I always enjoyed all the incarnations (though it took me a while to appreciate Josh as Dr. Erhardt).

    BTW, who’d have EVER GUESSED that Wilbur from “Honeymoon” is the same actor as the copilot in “Lost Continent?”

    Oh, it’s true.

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  • 73
    FordPrefect says:

    I always get the feeling that Pearl got the short end of the stick. She had to serve as a follow-up to five full years of the TV’s Frank/Dr. F team that fans were so familiar with. Mary Jo had to jump in as a foil to Dr. F for six episodes and then just as she was getting her feet wet in that role, she had to carry the “evil” end of things for the rest of the show’s run. She didn’t even get a chance to be in as many episodes since SCI-FI canceled the series. Who’s to say what kind of stuff Pearl could have done in Seasons 11 and 12?

    I think it would be interesting to try and compare Season 7 to the first six episodes of Season 2 and compare the SCI-FI Era to #207-417. What about the fans who were introduced to the show with Pearl episodes? Did they immediately fall in love with the Frank and Forrester team at first introduction, or did they just accept them as another part of the show’s attempt to explain the movie segments?

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  • 74
    adsfdsfa says:

    My fav line is when song guy is angry at the piano, grabbing his head and Servo says “Pull hard enough and I can snap my head off HRNNNN”. I’ve been stuck creatively like that before and that’s approximately where my thoughts go.

    As for Pearl/Dr. F, meh. I remember a thousand years ago raging for a bit when Frank came in, so another change wasn’t such a big deal for me.

    I think the major problem is that Dr. F being the victim worked better as the exception rather than the rule. Pearl’s evil flowed more smoothly with more sympathetic people for her to bully.

    Watching the short again thanks to the miracle of internets, the riffs seemed fairly dark even by shorts standards.

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  • 75
    Malt says:

    Incredible episode…some of the best riffing ever done.

    I love the scene where the elder doctor is speaking with his female, er, counterpart. He pats her on the shoulder gently and Mike pipes up,”Condescend, condescend…”

    I also love the part where Steve?/John?/Dave? discovers his truck has been tampered with by the beast. He looks up and has a Clint Eastwood-esque look in his eye. Mike says, with perfect timing, “Time to dance, bloodbeast.”

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  • 76
    bad wolf says:

    Wouldn’t it be nice to get the TD version of this, with some more Thanksgiving marathon bumpers, and the Mexican Santa Claus movie on DVD? A perfect holiday pack–DIY TD marathons and 2 Xmas movies to watch!

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  • 77
    pablum says:

    Another not-so-fan of Pearl here. I don’t hate her character, except during certain host segments in Deathstalker, but the character of Dr. Forrester did change for the worse. It just made me yearn for Frank that much more when I saw what became of the Mads. And then as if to end the suffering of Clayton (and some of the fans), he’s gone in six episodes. Although that will create another problem for me when the dust of 706 settles and 801 begins.

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  • 78
    Dr Freud says:

    It seems emminently clear through analysis of the comments found here and other like themed entries relative to the relationship between the Forresters, that those who rejected said relationship were, in fact, in complete denial over their OWN feelings regarding their relationship with their own mater, yes?

    To illustrate this point, I direct your collective attention to the episode wherein Mrs Forrester is ill and continually calls out for her son (CLAYTONCLAYTONCLAYTON…). Thousands of fanboys who reside in the basements of their mothers house were immediately hearing their own mothers plaintive (SIGGYSIGGYSIGGY…) and repeated demand for their sons exclusive attention. The waves of resentment towards their own mothers were, in fact, then redirected to Mrs Forrester to whom they could express their pent up matricidal tendencies in a safe, non-confrontational, fiscally secure enviorment. This is the seed of discontent, yes!?

    Once Clayton is REMOVED, Pearl is then inrtacting with her own peer group rather than the paternally imbalenced relationship. Thus reduced in the eyes of the fanboys her character is then becomes more pallatable, less controversial, less threatening. Peace and good cheer is once again restored.

    I must go now, I have to massage mother’s feet.

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  • 79
    Ralph C. says:

    Oh come on– enough about Pearl and Dr. F. and all this chemistry and dynamics stuff– where’s all the comments about “undercupping”??? Maybe we can start a thread identifying our favorite “undercupping” moments/characters in MST3K history!

    Who’s with me?

    Um…. MSTies…. who’s… with… me?

    Careful… what…. you wish for…

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  • 80
    GizmonicTemp says:

    Depending on how one feels about “Samson” and “Yucca Flats”, this is the first good ol’ monster movie in a while; one that really hearkens back to the Joel era. I could totally see this as a great Joel episode.

    And I guess I kind of forgot how many episodes Ed Nelson is in.

    Not so elusive after all!

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  • 81
    The Bolem says:

    Oh yeah, the problem of getting both versions on the same DVD…

    A friend who was collecting all the Dragonball Z DVDs when Funimation first released the Cell Saga said they allowed you to switch between the American and Japanese opening and closing sequences with angle options. I’ve never played a disc that utilized that feature myself, but it sure seems like a way to include every host segment without making the disc 2-sided.

    I’m sure they’ll solve this little problem long before the one about how to please fans who want every Sandy Frank episode to also include the KTMA version, at any rate. I’m a completist who wants a legit DVD of every last ep, so I say Shout! and the ex-Brains had better think long and hard about that one…

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  • 82
    edge10 says:

    “This is how far I’ve gotten: laaa.”

    One of my favs. The short is awesome and never fails to make me laugh.

    The movie, another classic. Goofy in it’s own right. Add the excellent riffing and it is pure gold.

    “Don’t say rub or grind or moist or hard or gristle.”

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  • 83
    jimmy says:

    I’m Polish and thought “We learned not to send Polacks into space” was hilarious. And count me in as someone who loved Mike, Kevin, and Trace laughing at their own jokes in Season 6 and 7. It made me laugh more and who can blame them? They were hilarious.

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  • 84

    I didn’t take full advantage when posting my comments. I should’ve changed my handle to Steve of Great Power for that one.

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  • 85
    MiqelDotCom says:

    I’ve only seen the Turkey Day version, is there a DAP copy of both versions?

    I’d give this one a solid 4 stars. Fine movie riffing + The short is bizarre, I love the part where the guy starts playing a piano melody and Mike sings over it “Every body was kung-fu fighting” .. the melody is totally different but he pulls it off perfectly. WTF are they selling in this short? Appliances? Telephones?

    The Stuffing vs. Potatoes debate is pretty funny – “The Potato … Nature’s Bouncing Betty”

    BTW, I agree with those who have commented that regardless of the cast changes MST3K was always a kick-ass funny show. Sure, I was actually SAD when Frank left & the dynamic between Trace and Frank was excellent … but even though I was less fond of Pearl, the show was still the absolute best thing ever on TV. Cast changes were difficult but with each change they managed to stay funny and creative. Some episodes are better than others but my favorites span the full run of the show, it NEVER ‘jumped the shark’.

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  • 86
    Travis H says:

    Easily one of my all-time favorite MST3k episodes. The riffing is dead-on hilarious in the short and the movie, and you get twice as many host segments to enjoy! I’ve used this as an introductory episode for so many people I’ve hung out with.

    I really hope Shout Factory can license this.

    “Has anybody seen my hairbrush?”

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  • 87
    I'm not a medium, I'm a petite says:

    Migel #85

    Yes, there are DAPs of both. The ones I circulated down this week were titled thus :

    MST3K – 0701 – 20010607 – Night of the Blood Beast

    MST3K – 0701(TD) – 20011119 – Night Of The Blood Beast

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  • 88
    Steve K says:

    Zee#16: “Poopie Moments I wished they actually used in the episode”
    I smell a weekend discussion thread… I know which I’d vote for — and it’s a Dr. F. moment.

    DON3k#51: “EVERYONE’S NOT NAMED STEVE!!!”
    The important ones are… Wink

    My favorite bits:
    “Peppercorn Mace” Yum!

    “Hey, now they’ll get Immaculate Reception”

    As for Pearl, every time the cast changed, it took several episodes for the new dynamic to gel. In this case, Pearl and Clayton never got the chance. That’s the way I see it.

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  • 89

    Season Seven couldn’t be short enough for me. Pearl’s arrival was the conclusion of what had been a slow degradation of Dr. F’s character since the departure of Joel. Some of that had to do with Mike’s lack of respect for the Mads. Part of it, no doubt, was due to the writers getting tired of writing the same kind of stuff over and over.

    Regardless of what had brought them there, by the time Pearl arrived, Dr. F had already lost a lot of the edge that made him a great character. Pearl just removed the last shreds of dignity attached to him with one fell swoop.

    Thankfully, he’s pretty much restored to his former self in his final appearance (Pearl’s barely there) and gets the best darned send off the show ever had. Pearl herself would be redeemed as a character once she had her own supporting cast on Sci Fi.

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  • 90
    Nick says:

    To me, this is one of those eps where the short is waaaaaayy more interesting than the movie. Favorite line: “It’s probably the Pope about the one sexual position.” The songs themselves are pretty catcy as well.

    Oh, and I liked the 3rd host segment (regular version) called back to Godzilla vs. Megalon; the one about Crow’s inability to get pregnant because he doesn’t have a womb.

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  • 91
    The Toblerone Effect says:

    I always viewed Season 7 in regards to a favorite store of mine that’s under renovation: a part of it is still open, but sections of it are closed off. In other words, it exists but its an incomplete entity, and therefore shouldn’t be judged on comparisons. I think, if given a longer body of time to work on it, the relationship between Dr. F and Pearl would have balanced itself out. Clayton would have had opportunities to get back at his mom for past grievances. It’s all moot at this point, though. The choice of movies for this shortened season are very good, overall; in fact, in my opinion this week’s experiment is the weakest of the six.

    I hadn’t seen this in awhile, and I knew I only had the Thanksgiving version, but I was suprised to find that I had taped most of the bumpers previous to the start of NotBB. They’re pretty good, especially Mike’s take on “Peter Graves Jr.”, as Forrester calls him.
    The short is another gem – they do so well with these 1950’s ads that dwell in subliminal advertising (phones). Some of my fav comments from that include:
    – (when the title appears) Servo says: “The number of times Michael Jackson and Lisa Marie have had sex!”
    – (while wife is singing about wishing) Mike: “Well, wish in one hand and crap in the other, and see which piles up first!”
    – (while wife is in bedroom, singing “wish I may, wish…I…might”) Servo’s sings the lyrics ahead of her.

    The movie is less inspiring for jokes. While Corman is the master of B-movie making, other movies of his featured on MST, such as “It Conquered the World”, “Attack of the Giant Leeches” and “Swamp Diamonds” at least have elements in them to keep the viewer’s attention, albeit for the wrong reasons. NotBB goes too slowly for me, and none of the characters are memorable. While M&tB do a decent job, they do get better than this as the season progresses.

    Fav riffs from the movie include:
    – Servo as Elmer Fudd: “Be careful with my hat, huh-huh-huh-huh-huh.”
    -Crow (as they unload the body from the truck’s faltbed): “Well, we had to snap him in two like a frozen dog to get him out of the space capsule, but…”
    – Mike (during views of the microscope): “Who ordered theirs sunny-side up?”
    Also, there’s a then-current reference that made me chuckle: as Joyce talks about the “cells have expanded to-“, Mike chimes “Jacksonville”, a reference to the new NFL team, Jacksonville Jaguars, who had their first season played in 1995.

    I can’t wait for the review of “Brute Man”! One of my absolute faves during the Mike era.

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  • 92
    FRANKNFORCER says:

    I wonder, does anyone know definitively if Trace mouth started bleeding because of Mary Jo hitting the trombone and it cutting him? It doesn’t look to be that hard of a hit, of course it doesn’t take much. But I always wondered if maybe his mouth had been injured earlier and this just reopened it.

    As for the chemistry, yes it wasn’t as good as he had with Frank. I don’t know the reasons behind it.

    But, I think one of the reasons the chemistry doesn’t seem there is it seemed to me Trace had grown tired of the role of Dr. Forrester at that point during Season 7. As Dr. F he just didn’t seem to have the same energy that he had in previous seasons. T
    here’s a bit on Poopie 2 between him and Mary Jo where she’s portraying Pearl as being sick and Trace stops the filming for a second, his whole demeanor in that bit just make’s it seem that he’d rather be anywhere else than there at that moment.

    I don’t know maybe it’s me, but the fact he left at the end of Seaon 7 I think supports my feeling that one of the reasons the chemistry doesn’t click is I think he was ready to move on and was simply tired of doing it at that point and wanted to move on… which he did. I don’t know I could be wrong.

    For the record, I love Mary Jo as Pearl. And her work with Kevin and Bill during the sci fi years is as good as the work Trave and Frank brought.

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  • 93
    earpark says:

    Whaaaaaat this is my favourite season ever! I think it’s some of the strongest writing of the series.

    As for this one… the microscope cartoon had me literally rolling on the floor first I saw it. Plus despite his wonky eyes, I think Johnny’s sorta cute in a way. And the dopey girl too. Maybe I’m just weird. Whatever.

    As for Pearl/Dr. F? Weird combo but I like them too much as characters to hate. But I love Pearl way more later. She becomes my favourite character of ALL then.
    Plus it does explain a lot.
    And I don’t really think it would’ve worked if it ended up being his *daughter* in season 8 (though that’s actually how I assumed they were related at first!). More than anything… he’s always seemed a bit, well, *light in the loafers* to me, if you know what I mean. Again, maybe that’s just me.

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  • 94
    Troy Thomas says:

    I prefer the regular segments to the Turkey Day ones. I like the dynamics on the SOL better than Deep 13, and I felt the Turkey Day edition spent too much time down in Deep 13. Plus, why wasn’t Torgo at the Thanksgiving party?!

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  • 95
    Dan in WI says:

    This starts out strongly enough on the SOL. I like the personal security opening. You have to admit that Mike can sure act scary!

    Then we get to Pearl. I’m going to say that I didn’t mind her introduction. Did Trace and Frank make a really great comedy team? Absolutely. But let’s face it we’ve already (somewhat) shaken it up before. When Joel left and took the invention exchange with him the dynamic in Deep 13 changed. Dr. Forrester and Frank lost the driving force of the majority of the Deep 13 screen time. When Joel was there the Mads presented their invention and introduced the movie. Since they rarely returned to Deep 13 until the end of the show there was little else for them to do. With the demise of the invention exchange the Mads were shaken up quite a bit. We saw a lot of the their “home life” and an effeminate relationship was developed. So now the team is broken up and things change further. I have no problem with turning the tables on Dr. Forrester because I think that is interesting.

    As for her opening sketch trombone recital… Well it begins to establish their relationship but it was lacking a bit on the funny, but back-story often does.

    The apology sketch picks up a bit. When Clayton asks if the topic is poop related I chuckle.

    All in all a good episode. The movie itself had that solid if not quite spectacular riffing I love. It was very workmanlike. I thought the introduction of the new characters was interesting.

    Now the Turkey Day segments do give a completely different feel to Pearl. She doesn’t seem evil at all and the rapport with Art is really fun. We’d see that a few more times but it is a bit of a shame it wasn’t more common.

    Favorite Riffs:
    Short:
    Angel “Something is coming up in exactly 30 seconds.” Mike makes noises like fighting back vomit.

    Sits down at the piano. Mike “What would Liberace do? Oh wait, I better not do that.”

    Movie:
    Dave “he was supposed to come back alive.” Tom “stupid jerk.”

    The body is examined. Mike “did he have a skull when we sent him up?”

    Steve “When we pulled your body out of the compartment we thought you were dead.” Tom “What do you mean compartment?”

    Crow “No more questions. More boobies.” As Steven collapses on female Steve’s chest.

    Female Steve “He’s not dangerous. Not to me.” Crow “Except when the Packers loose.”

    Steve “How about a Molotov Cocktail.” Mike “Well it is a little early.”

    Bloodbeast “Do now be afraid. I’m not here to harm you.” Mike “Just kill you.”

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  • 96
    robot rump! says:

    ‘we had to snap him in two like a frozen dog.’
    the mutant hell beast suit has taken a beating in it’s appearances. burned to a crisp in this showing and have a deranged Ray Stevens drop a large rock on it’s head in yet another movie.

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  • 97

    I have very little to add to what I said before. The Dr. F on display here is a shadow of the brilliant character that had previously been on view. I’m not sure I agree with those who think Trace was tired of the character. I think it’s just as likely he was tired of the whole grind, especially since the production had become so uncertain. The disappointment of the movie had to weigh heavily, as well.

    I will agree that the TD segments pale in comparison to the originals, but who thought they wouldn’t? Again, though, the Perkins/Mr. B shipping *was* fantastic and spot-on because (unlike the uncharacteristic shift for Dr. F), they both stayed true to the way BB had portrayed them previously, just in a new context.

    The movie, I barely remember. It’s blotted out by the horrors of the host segments as I watch one of the greatest characters in the history of television slowly sapped of the last, desperate vestiges of his persona. (Quick example: How did the Dr. F who had simply and callously had Michael Feinstein killed just a few seasons earlier become a fawning, panting fanboy? A lack of fidelity to the basic nature of the character, that’s how.)

    If the writers got flack for what they did to the character, they deserved it.

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  • 98
    Sitting Duck says:

    I applied the Bechdel Test to this film and the result was a Fail. At no point do Julie and Donna (the sole female characters) speak to each other.

    Personally I prefer the Turkey Day host segments and am glad that Shout gave us the option to choose whichever set you want.

    bad wolf #76: Wouldn’t it be nice to get the TD version of this, with some more Thanksgiving marathon bumpers, and the Mexican Santa Claus movie on DVD?

    Weird how that’s exactly what happened. That’s what it is. Weird!

    Troy Thomas #94: Why wasn’t Torgo at the Thanksgiving party?!

    Would you really want to have Torgo at your Thanksgiving dinner? I know I wouldn’t. Especially if he brought the green bean casserole. Real world reason, because Mike was already doing two characters, so a third would be a bit much.

    Why is Heaven so often protrayed as bureaucratic? You’d think that would be more of Hell’s deal.

    I thought A Young Man’s Fancy was oblique as regards to what it was about, but it’s a model of clarity compared to Once Upon a Honeymoon. Tom summed it up perfectly when he said, “What the hell was that about anyway?”

    What do the Bots have against potatoes? But I do agree that mincemeat pie is gross.

    Then-current riff: “The amorphic cell structures have expanded to…”
    Jacksonville!

    Favorite riffs

    You know, I had an angel rotting in my chimney once.

    The rest of NASA rushes to the scene.

    Before this decade is out, we will put a man in a pickup truck and bring him safely to Mendicino County.

    Did he have a skull when we sent him up?

    But you’re a girl doctor.

    This is a stupid space program. I’m gonna work for my uncle’s space program.

    Maybe they shouldn’t have launched a rocket while the dryer was running.

    “At least we won’t freeze.”
    Unless it gets really cold.

    Saw a huge, bloodsucking alien. But I didn’t think it was important, either.

    Be vewy quiet. We’re hunting Bwood Beast.

    Can you be dead again?

    No more questions. More boobies.

    And God bless Grandma, and please don’t let the alien babies eat me in my sleep. Amen.

    “I’m not here to harm you.”
    I just want to kill you.

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  • 99
    Yipe Striper says:

    its hard to trust a guy not named ‘steve’…

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  • 100
    jjb3k says:

    I have something I need to say before we go any further: I love Season 7! I know it has its detractors, but to me, this season is just as brilliant as what’s come before it. All six episodes, in my opinion, are some of the funniest the Brains ever did. And the fact that they were staring down possible cancellation and still managed to be sidesplittingly funny is a real testament to their talents.

    Thanksgiving is one of my favorite holidays – it evokes pleasant memories of big family dinners and the movie marathons that were always on TV afterwards. So for that reason, I generally prefer the Turkey Day version of this episode. It’s oddly nostalgic for me, despite the fact that I never saw it on its original airdate.

    But I can do the next best thing – this past Thanksgiving, I re-enacted the entire 1995 Turkey Day marathon, bumpers and all. I actually prefer these bumpers over the ’91 ones, since there’s a much wider breadth of characters to play off each other. Trace, Mike, Bridget, Paul, Kevin, and Mary Jo are all brilliant throughout. “Is it money you want?” Grin

    I also think the host segments in the episode proper are stronger in the Turkey Day version. Don’t get me wrong, the regular ones are good too (“Was it that time I ate the bag of wool?”) but few things in the history of the show are funnier than Crow and Servo’s stuffing vs. potatoes sketch. I still look for opportunities to drop “The skin, or jacket, of the potato is incredibly poisonous, and can kill in an instant!” into regular conversation.

    I love Pearl’s Patton-style prayer: “Lord, I’d like to thank you for my health…the occasional good massage…oh, and my son, I guess.” Smile

    “Meanwhile, soldiers are dyin’ in the mud in North Korea…” Once Upon a Honeymoon is an insane little short, and the guys rip it apart. I still double over laughing every time I hear “Honey, I can’t stop smiling! I’m in hell!”

    As Mike puts it, this movie has been thoroughly Cormanized. Everything you’d expect is here – spaceships, cheap alien suits, big chunky white guys in lab coats talking about nothing – but Night of the Blood Beast also has a healthy dose of goofy, which makes it go down a lot easier. Those fried egg things in the microscope are hilarious. “What I’m about to say may sound strange, but I think we should eat this corpse.”

    What’s up with Donna’s hair in this movie? I like it, don’t get me wrong, but her Farrah Fawcett ‘do seems a little out-of-place for 1958, don’t you think?

    “This is helping!” Grin

    Speaking of lines I like to drop in casual conversation, I must remember to use “Just what it is we’ll never know, we’ll never know” more often.

    Overall, a great way to kick off an unfortunately truncated season. There’s not a lot to Season 7, but I enjoy every little drop we got.

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  • 101
    Mr. B(ob) says:

    I’m surprised I don’t have any comments here on this episode already from when it first got fan comments in 2009. Maybe because my enthusiasm for it is less than before major cast changes began to alter the show. I also have been repeatedly mystified by the “Steves” gag, there is clearly only one character named Steve in the movie. Mike Nelson and Kevin Murphy as I recall were even wearing name tags that said “Steve” on them at one point during the MST3K convention as a call-back to this gag. Amusing, but I’m still wondering how they got so confused in the writing room about the character names in the movie.

    I also found the comedic dynamic between Dr. F and Pearl to be lacking, it simply doesn’t make me laugh. Let’s face it, Frank and Forrester were a great comedy duo and it simply wasn’t possible to recapture that by severely altering the pairing and Dr. F’s behavior after Frank left, especially for long-time fans still missing Frank. The chemistry was all wrong and just didn’t have much inspired “comedy magic” in it.

    The episode as a whole is pretty funny though most fans were smarting at that point from losing Joel and Frank. The movie at least worked pretty well and there are some good jokes during it from the MST3K writers. It was good to see a new episode at the time in spite of the unwelcome cast changes.

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  • 102
    Of no account says:

    Not a big fan of this episode. The short is definitely the highlight, and even it’s lacking for me. The rest of season 7 is fantastic, though.
    I’d have to say the TD segments were the better of the two.

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  • 103
    snowdog says:

    Since my comments in ’09, I’ve purchased the Shout box set that contains both versions of this episode. Last night was probably the first time I’ve seen the trombone sketch since its original airing and I have to say, it hasn’t grown on me. Sampo does a pretty good job of listing the reasons why. Fortunately, this ep is saved by some quality riffing, especially in the short.

    One thing I noticed in the TD bumpers that I hadn’t before was Bridget (as Mr. B) standing like Ian Anderson from Jethro Tull, pretending to play the flute which was a nice touch. I also like when Dr F. goes to give the blessing for the food, then apologizes to Pitch.

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  • 104
    revlillo says:

    Sampo, unless I’m mistaken Sarah Wisner also left the show between the end of season six and the beginning of season seven. I noted that because she’s the one who gave my wife and me a tour of Best Brains in the fall of 1993.

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  • 105
    Sampo says:

    Good catch, revillo. Now fixed.

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  • 106
    schippers says:

    Sitting Duck #98 – looking through your list of Bechdeled MST3K eps was very thought provoking for me (a male), esp. noting the eps with rather large female casts (e.g., Fire Maidens of Outer Space, which you had not tested but which I’m pretty certain fails). Also interesting to see how many eps pass, but just barely. ALSO interesting to note films (Gamera vs. Guiron) which pass primarily b/c female characters are assuming stereotypically “male” roles that require planning/exposition (i.e., plotting the conquest of a planet).

    I don’t really have a point or anything here. Just interesting.

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  • 107

    Okay, here’s my two cents on the whole “changing of the guard” thing: It never really bothered me, as there seemed to be a lot of turnover when I started watching the show. You see, I started watching MST3K during Season 6, so Mike was the already the host, and I was hooked on the show for the movie riffing right from the start (Mike’s a good riffer), but Comedy Central was still showing re-runs of Joel episodes, which I watched and loved just as much if not more, as those episode (S2-S4) had a special kind of magic were the movie riffing AND the Host Segments worked (not always, but often, and very often was genius), which isn’t to say that Mike-era Host Segments didn’t occasionally have their magic, it’s just that it was on a less occasional basis during S6-10…

    So my attitude towards the show when I started watching it was (and is still) “this show has two hosts, I like them both, they each have strong suits,” and I apply the same train of thought when it comes to the Mads. Dr.F and Frank are the best (duh), with Pearl, Bobo, and Observer coming in second (admittedly, it took me time to warm up to this trio), Dr. F and Dr Erhardt coming in third, and Dr. F and Pearl coming in last, if only because they have fewer episodes in which to work out there dynamic. I think the Clayton/Pearl dynamic as it is (she’s a browbeater, he’s scarred of her but wants her approval) was established well enough in her previous appearances on the show, so I find Dr. F’s “shift in character” to actually totally be in line with the development (as it is) of the character of Dr. F. Sure, seeing him be timid isn’t as funny as him kill Frank over and over, but Season 7 has it’s moments.

    Speaking of: I really like Season 7, most of the experiments work great for me, the final four (Deathstalker, Melting Man, Escape 2000, and Laserblast) are some of my favorites, but this lead off episode of NIGHT OF THE BLOOD BEAST, is the weakest of this shortened season. The movie is kind of a bore, until the monster starts talking in the last 10 minutes. The short is weird, but not weird enough for me. I watched the regular version of this and found the Host Segments to be not that good. Afterwards I watched the Turkey Day bumpers and Host Segments (thanks Shout! Factory!) and I preferred those overwhelmingly. The stuffing vs. potatoes debate, the Pearl/”Art” conversation, and the giving of thanks in Host Segments #3 all seem to be much more in line with the show’s sense of humor and it makes for a very nice Thanksgiving Day episode actually (turkey surprise and all). Plus, it is a much more sensible and easy to take introduction to Pearl’s character.


    RIFFS:


    short:

    Servo: “Oh no, angel dust!”

    Servo: “‘Scuse me while I light this spleef.”

    Mike: “The following scene contains graphic sexual content.”


    MOVIE:

    Crow: “Dick Currier: When your dick has to positively be there overnight.”

    Servo: “And the Steves are there!”

    Crow: “No more questions, more boobies.”

    Crow: “WOW! He’s loaded with shrimp!”

    Crow: “Not the copier!”
    Servo: “My resume was in there!” —-I’m looking for a job right now, I found this extra funny.

    the creature jumps down into the bushes,
    Mike: “I REGRET NOTHING!”


    Not a great start to Season7,
    things get a lot better,

    2/5

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  • 108
    Depressing Aunt says:

    It’s a real treat to see the Thanksgiving extras, thanks Shout! They must have had a blast filming those segments in Deep 13. The regular version has charms too–because Crow has a good point. Those annoying babies…they make me so mad. The whole Pearl/Dr. F dynamic? It made me wince for Clayton sometimes, but it had its fun moments for sure. Sick, whiny Pearl who wants Art to read a dirty novel to her, and the lady in the box that Toblerone immediately falls for, and her randy suitor annoying Clay, I love those bits.

    The short is a stitch and so is the movie. My only complaint? I really really really hate that Johnny. “You WILL give him a chance?” Dude, I’ll give you a chance. To shut up.

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  • 109
    Bombastic Biscuit Boy says:

    I’ve decided one hard and fast rule for MSTies:
    Your favorite incarnation of the show is the one you started with

    …it’s like your first bottle of beer, music you grew up with, girls (or boys) you ogled in junior high…it simply boils down to personal preference based on strong emotion…

    As for the Clayton abuse? Hey, after 2 seasons belittling Dr. Erhardt and another 4 abusing/killing Frank, 6 short episodes seems pretty lenient…I guess karma isn’t always a bitch!

    that being said, I wish we could double up on episodes and just get to Season 8 already!

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  • 110
    Bat Masterson says:

    Oh look, a frog!

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  • 111
    Kali says:

    Sampo, there is something else you can add to your round-up (technically, at least). According to “Keep Watching the Skies,” the costume worn by the Blood Beast is the exact same costume Corman used as the “The Thing That Causes Death at a Touch” in Teenage Caveman.

    After all, Corman never wastes good material, not even the script. Smile

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  • 112
    Trilaan says:

    To this day I call shrimp “crow babies.”

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  • 113
    Tom Carberry says:

    A little gem from Roger’s little brother Gene Corman, this makes pretty liberal use of Bronson Canyon, Caves and Griffith Park.

    Favorite lines (Once Upon a Honeymoon):

    [title card] Once Upon a Honeymoon—how many times Michael Jackson and Lisa Marie had sex.
    It’s spring time for Hitler in Germany.
    [of Chick Chandler] Poor Buck Henry.
    [full ashtray] Mickey Rourke came over to help.
    Wish in one hand and crap in the other and see which files up first.
    Honey, your cocaine is all over the phone.
    [player piano] Welcome to Shakey’s…Elton John was here.

    Favorite lines (Night of the Blood Beast):

    I’m being severely backlit.
    [explosion behind seat] Oh, I knew I was lactose intolerant, but…
    “Cause of death must be due to an internal rupture.” He should have worn a cup.
    It all started at a 500-watt radio station in Fresno, California.
    [Dave sitting at radio transmitter] I’m putting a burrito in the microwave, you guys want anything?
    “I can’t transmit across the room with this thing.” Goldstar, huh?
    [Hurricane Lamp] Oh, neat, did you get this at Pier One? Yeah, that and a 10K really lights up the place.
    Don’t wake up Dad, he’s in a really bad mood.
    [Blood Beast in shadow] Martha Graham. Who put my sweater in the dryer?
    [Blood Beast enters room] Barney’s been in a fire. This is no way to meet the in-laws. Ah, boy, you know, you marry the whole family. Not the copier—my resume was in there.
    Yeah, just lay him on the ironing board.
    [Julie] “He’s not dangerous, not to me anyway.” Except when the Packers lose.
    “How about a Molitov cocktail”? Well…it’s pretty early, I mean…
    “It’s better to stalk it then have it come after us.” Yeah, that’s my dating policy.
    “Within the hour the first of our new generation will be born. It’s true.” I’m dilated to four. Get the cocktail sauce.

    Final Thought: The same view of Bronson Canyon and caves as in Teenagers from Outer Space. I give this one 4 out of 5 stars.

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  • 114
    Fart Bargo says:

    NIGHT OF THE BLOOD BEAST deals with an alien life form that impregnate a human, Steve of course, and then terrorizes a group of people in an isolated environment. A little known fact is that this was the actual film that inspired Ridley Scott’s ALIEN!

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  • 115
    ToolAssist says:

    OK episode. Sadly, season 7 is pretty much just a string of these OK episodes, save for a really good one coming up next and a really bad one.

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  • 116
    Dan in WI says:

    Bart #114> That’s interesting if true. Do you have a source on that?

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  • 117
    Tom Carberry says:

    It was my understanding that “It: The Terror From Beyond Space” with Ray “Crash” Corrigan playing the monster was the inspiration. Crew of males and females (2), “rescue mission”, alien gets on board, alien hides in air ducts and attacks/abducts careless crew one at a time, alien is killed in the end by

    –spoiler alert–

    evacuating the air from the ship.

    Sound familiar?

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  • 118
    Fart Bargo says:

    I had read that there were a few different movies had inspired Scotts ALIEN including Tom’s comments and I think Bava’s Planet of the Vampires. It just seemed at one point people were citing every 50’s SF movie as an influence.

    In short, I was attempting humor but not at the expense of you folks. The more I think about it, why not? Would Scott own up to this if true? I would’nt.

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  • 119
    Kenneth Morgan says:

    One question about this episode: I’m surprised there were no Nuveena jokes directed at the wife in “Once Upon a Honeymoon”. They seem very much alike, both singing annoying somgs about all the modern conveniences they’d like in their respective homes.

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  • 120
    Angie Schultz says:

    I also have been repeatedly mystified by the “Steves” gag, there is clearly only one character named Steve in the movie.

    There’s also a guy named Dave. Early on, one of the other characters (Donna, I’m pretty sure), bleats out, “DAAAAVE!” in a really shrill voice, so that it kind of sounds like “STEEEEVE!” Thus began the Confusion of the Steves.

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  • 121
    Sitting Duck says:

    Here’s something else to chew on regarding the Blood Beast/Alien maybe connection. Though not adapted from any of his stories, Alien is considered to be a very Lovecraftian film (writer Dan O’Bannon and designer H.R. Giger are both Lovecraft fanboys). Meanwhile, Roger Corman directed the very first film adaptation of a Lovecraft story (The Haunted Palace is an adaptation of The Case of Charles Dexter Ward and is considered to be a reasonably tolerable film).

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  • 122
    touches no one's life, then leaves says:

    Once Pearl replaced Frank, Dr. F lost his EVIL! EVIL! He stopped being a caricature of a mad scientist and became just another…well, that’s just it, he wasn’t really anything, just this guy who lived with his mother or, rather, whose mother lived with him.

    To be a mad scientist, one needs a subservient assistant who’ll pretty much go along with whatever one says and does (like Frank and Dr. Erhart before him), not a parent to whom one IS subservient, who can pretty much just say “stop being so ridiculous” OSLT. It just doesn’t work. IMHO.

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  • 123
    Aldo Farnese is Mr. Krasker says:

    The Steve joke begines when one of the guys calls for Steve and actual Steve and the young woman both look in response. “Me Steve or she Steve?”

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  • 124
    Brian says:

    jjb3k @100: Absolutely agree about Season 7. I get that the Deep 13 shake-up isn’t to everyone’s liking, but from a riffing standpoint I’ll never understand where the detractors are coming from. I’m inclined to say that the riffing in this season is the best yet up to that point in the show’s history. Mike really hit his groove as a riffer in this season and the writing in general felt sharper and more satisfying. I recall Comedy Central drip-feeding this season’s eps amidst daily repeats of older episodes, and remember being struck by how much funnier these new episodes were compared to the repeats (granted, the reruns were going out late at night and I had to force myself to stay up to see them, and Joel-era riffing is more soporific than laugh-making when you’re a sleep-deprived college kid).

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  • 125
    Dan in WI says:

    Touches #122> I’d disagree that Dr. Erhart was a subservient assistant. He was much more so an equal to Dr. Forrester.

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  • 126
    itsspideyman says:

    #48

    I loved for continuity’s sake during the Sci-Fi years when Pearl would call Crow “Art”.

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  • 127
    Happenstance says:

    Some fans just can’t handle change. I happen to enjoy a show (to remain unnamed because its haters are as rabid as its fans and I don’t wanna start a thing here) and half its fanbase shat themselves and burst into flame last year when one of the main characters got a “promotion”* that, if anyone THOUGHT about it, creates a huge wealth of story opportunities without destroying the relationships the fans have come to love.

    It’s always a bit sick when some fanboy who can’t even spell thinks he knows the show better than the people who have worked on every episode for three or four seasons.

    *let’s just say she “earned her wings”

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  • 128
    pondoscp says:

    Off to a good start with Season 7. There’s a lot of fun stuff in this episode. My favorite part is when Servo’s wearing the white glasses from the short. Love that short, by the way. The movie’s a bit of a slog, but that happens sometimes.

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  • 129

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