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Weekend Discussion Thread: Top 20 Essentials

This one is going to make you work a little. And it’s going to hurt a little. Strap in.

Alert reader George asks:

Which episodes would you propose to be sacred, untouchable, and indispensable–the essential definition of “MST3K”? Pick 10 from the Joel era and 10 from the Mike era. And show your work–provide at least a one-line argument in support of each choice.

Ouch. Only 10 episodes for each era? That eliminates a lot of classics (but of course opens the door to a lot of discussion). But I did it. So can you.

BTW–here’s a quick and easy ep list that might help.

Here’s mine (with the caveat that I might very well pick an entirely different 20 episodes if asked on a different day):
Joel era
107- ROBOT MONSTER with shorts: COMMANDO CODY PTS 4 and 5 (I think by doing this classic bad movie they declared who they were and what they were doing to the national TV audience. Also the Commando Cody segments are golden.)
310- FUGITIVE ALIEN (One of those episodes that “grew in the riffing” to paraphrase Tolkien. It could have been a weird little Japanese throwaway like, oh, I don’t know, “Mighty Jack,” but somehow a weird synergy developed between the movie and the riffing that created something greater.)
311- IT CONQUERED THE WORLD with short: SNOW THRILLS (So much wonderful stuff here, including one of the first real shorts.)
321- SANTA CLAUS CONQUERS THE MARTIANS (You can’t escape this one, somehow. Though I have to say I have recently migrated to the Cinematic Titanic version.)
422- THE DAY THE EARTH FROZE with short: HERE COMES THE CIRCUS (perfect movie, perfect short, maybe everything an episode can be. Sampo!)
423- BRIDE OF THE MONSTER with short: HIRED! PT 1 (The quintessential Ed Wood movie, riffed to within an inch of its life, and, quite frankly, the funnier half of the short.)
505- MAGIC VOYAGE OF SINBAD (Another episode that works on several levels simultaneously. So much going on here it could be the basis of an academic paper. And gaspingly funny throughout).
506- EEGAH! (Another absolute gem, where the performers took the strange movie and just built on it.)
507- I ACCUSE MY PARENTS with short: THE TRUCK FARMER (Another near-perfect episode as Joel prepares to take his leave. Everything works.)
512- MITCHELL (THE pivotal episode, THE must see. Not a foot wrong.)

Mike era
515- WILD, WILD WORLD OF BATWOMAN with short: CHEATING (After improving steadily, Mike finds his footing and proves the show is going to be fine.)
519- OUTLAW (OF GOR) (The epitome of the really watchable — and utterly riffable — MST3k movie. The level of riffing reaches and perhaps surpasses Joel.)
521- SANTA CLAUS (Why do the Christmas episodes stand out so much? Brilliance.)
610- THE VIOLENT YEARS with short: YOUNG MAN’S FANCY (My desert island episode. Fires on all cylinders for the entire show.)
706- LASERBLAST (Trace departs with a big giant bang.)
810- THE GIANT SPIDER INVASION (The show is saved, yet again.)
814- RIDING WITH DEATH (Another ep that could have been a middle-of-the-road outing, but that transforms into something more under the riffing.)
816- PRINCE OF SPACE (The bad movie’s weapons are useless against a riffing team that has completely rejunenated.)
904- WEREWOLF (Probably the Sci-Fi Channel era’s finest hour. Everything works.)
1001- SOULTAKER (Again, I cannot be objective.)

What are your picks?

Updated List of Weekend Discussion Threads

As people have been submitting suggestions for weekend discussion threads (and please keep them coming!), people often say: “I don’t know if we’ve done this one yet, but…”
And, that’s fair: Our first weekend discussion thread was posted on March 1, 2008. We can’t expect you to be keeping track of every topic we have done in more than two years.
So, FYI, we have discussed the following topics.

Your First Time (i.e. the your first episode experience)
Your Desert Island Episode
Favorite Host Segments–KTMA and Season 1
Fave Season 2 Host Segments
Season THREE Host Segments
Fave Season Four Host Segments
Top 12 Season 5 Host Segments
Fave Season Six Host Segments
Favorite Season Seven Segments
Fave Season 8 Host Segments
Favorite Season 9 Host Segments
Favorite Season 10 Host Segments
Top 15 Funniest Shorts
Favorite Songs
Top 5 “Actual Songs from the Actual Movies”
Introductory Movies
Top 5 Stingers
Lamest Heroes in a MSTed Movie
Favorite Inventions
Most-Used Catchphrases
Top 12 “Guest Starring Roles”
The Episodes for the 20th Anniversary Collection Are…
Goofiest Monster in a MSTed Movie
Memorable Dance Numbers
Top 10 Most Memorable Villains
Most Memorable Movie Theme Songs
Memorable ‘Bot Alterations
Fill In the Missing Stingers
Hotties/Hunks from MSTed Movies
Most Disgusting Movie Moments
Sleeping Pill Episodes
Two-Part Mike Discussion
Favorite Joel Moments
Favorite Trace Moments
Favorite Kevin Moments
Favorite Mary Jo Pehl Moments
Favorite Josh “J. Elvis” Weinstein Moments
Favorite Paul Chaplin Moments
Why MST3K Matters
Catchphrase T-Shirts Update
“Personal Riffs”
Christmas Movies that SHOULD Be Riffed
Best RiffTrax of 2008
Questions for Joel
The Grand Convergence
Shorts That Should Be Riffed
Joel Answers Your Questions
UnMSTed MST Movies You Own
Worst MSTed Movie
Mike’s Bacon “Stupidity”
Worst Performances
Worst Performance by an Actor
Worst Director
MST3K Viewing Habits
Favorite MSTed Movie Genre
Most Ridiculous Scene
Questions for Jordan Fields of Shout! Factory
Riffs that Got Run Into the Ground
Worst Ensemble Cast
The Taxonomy of Riffs
Your MST3K Projects
Riffs You Use in Daily Conversation
Most Annoying Movie Character
Episode Watching Memories
Favorite Callback
The Un-Sexiest Moment in a MSTed Movie
Favorite Farewells
“MST3K The Movie 2″–What Movie Would You Choose?
Your First “MST3K: The Movie” Experience
Best Pearl Moments
Drab and Dreary Movies
What’s Funny to You?
Lame Science
Favorite DVD Set
Episodes That Cheer You Up
Your Sci-Fi Channel “They’re Gonna Be Okay” Moment
MSTed Movies that Could Be Remade into GOOD Movies
Most Memorable Crow Moments
Instructional Shorts that Were Actually Informative
What Do We Do?
Your Favorite Rhino Extra
GOOD Performances by Actors in MSTed Movies
GOOD Performances by Actresses in MSTed Movies
Best WRITTEN MSTed movie
Alternate Actors in MSTed Movies?
Which Is the Best of the Russo-Finnish Quartet?
Roger Corman, bane or boon?
Ideas for Future Shout Factory Sets
Best Spy/Secret Agent Movies
Your Turkey Day Traditions
Worst Attitudes Toward Women in MSTed Movies
Blurting Out MST3Kisms
What’dja Get?
A Better Final Movie?
Action Figures
“Funny All By Itself” Movie Moments
Best Episodes for Kids
Deleted Scenes
Favorite Movie Sidekicks
Favorite Credit Sequences
Episodes That Grew on You
Favorite MST3K-Related Web Sites
Overrated/Underrated Episodes
Romance and MST3K
Good Host Segments/Not So Good Riffing (or vice versa)
Your Favorite Wimp
Riffing When You Shouldn’t
Worst Body of Work Among MSTed Producers
Continuity Errors in MSTed Movies
The Amazing Colossal Episode Guide

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